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Bossman
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Registered: Aug 2007
 
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 Posted May 12th, 2008 10:14 PM IP   
Is there anyone who knows how many future EXTENDED range closures there will be coming up after the current one reopens to membership?And will members be given added time to there expiration date due /to this process of non access? IT only seems right to do so! Closure for a month each year for maintenance/projects. Could be something the board might want to do. And it be posted to membership. Just a thought!
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Derrell
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Registered: May 2008
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Posted June 16th, 2008 02:32 PM IP
It seems that no one wants to address whether or not there will be any concessions made for the month we did not have access to the range. I have to say that is some crap to pay for a month of use that we didnt recieve. When I e-mailed Bill about this all I got was a call wanting to know if I was going to come to the work day. I was not able to go the work day because I had to work that day. I too am curious if there is going to be any future extended range closures. I dont know about the rest of you but when I pay for something I expect to recieve what I pay for. As the economy worsens it gets harder and harder to justify spending money on things that arent necessity. When you dont get what you pay for it makes it even harder.
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Mongo
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Registered: Apr 2007
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Posted June 17th, 2008 11:15 AM IP
So you don't want the range improved? Range improvement benefits us all and if we loose 1 month of range time then I can see that as an acceptable cost. I would rather see the range grow and expand to better facilities than stay a static mud hole.
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Derrell
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Registered: May 2008
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Posted June 17th, 2008 05:20 PM IP
What I am saying is that I want to recieve what I pay for. I dont know about you but I am not in the practice of paying for something that I cant use. I agree that the range needed the improvement but I think what happened with the month long closure was ridiculous. I went out there several times when it was nice and dry and no one was working. All I hear is that it was delayed due to bad weather but why was nothing happening when it was dry??? Also the range should have been open if no one was going to be working out there. I really think this was handled poorly for those of us who payed to have a place to shoot.
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Mike1951
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Registered: May 2007
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Posted June 17th, 2008 10:10 PM IP
Derrell,
Have you ever driven New Rd? I ask because it can take weeks after the rain stops before New Rd. is passable. When it rains, the folks who live at the end leave their vehicles parked on the asphalt section and use ATV's to go back and forth. (New Rd. is the only way in for equipment, as our bridge will not support the weight.)
We pay for things we can't use all the time. You have car insurance, don't you? Did you have a wreck today? No, then you paid for something you didn't use and considerably more than the $10/month your membership costs.
Also, we just almost had an incident between a shooter and a contractor that makes it very plain that trying to only close the range when the contractor could work would have been dangerous.
If it weren't for the possibility of having too many takers, I would offer you the $10 out of my pocket.
Mike Earls
TSRA Life Member
NRA Benefactor Member
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Derrell
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Registered: May 2008
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Posted June 18th, 2008 04:41 PM IP
Mike,
No I havent ever driven down New Rd. I think you have misunderstood me. If the contractor couldnt get equipment in for weeks after it rained then the range should have been open to members to shoot, until he was able to get equipment in. As for paying for things we use all the time I dont know about you but I dont. You cant use insurance as an example because the state of Texas tell us we have to have it by law. So that example sucks. I also have read about the contractor almost getting shot and all I can about that is that guy must have his head up his butt. If he would have gotten shot it would have been a tragedy but at the same time it would have been his fault for not contacting anyone and having the range closed before he started working. I also would not want the 10 bucks out of your pocket but I do feel that the club should make some concessions to the paying members for loosing that month. How about a month off of next years dues?? If the range had been open when the contractor wasnt able to work then I wouldnt feel this way but that was not the case.
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Dave A
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Registered: Jun 2008
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Posted June 21st, 2008 05:23 PM IP
You would spend more than ten bucks in one day shooting at Carter's.
Also, dealing with any type of contractor is chaos. They are usually not on schedule and it never turns out the way it is supposed to. I have been on both sides of that fence.
"A gun is not a weapon Marge, it's a tool. Like a butcher knife, or a harpoon, ... or an alligator."
- Homer Simpson
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JIMTEX
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Registered: May 2007
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Posted June 22nd, 2008 12:11 PM IP
Dave,
Watch that "dealing with contractors is chaos" stuff! LOL. .
There are Contractors and there are guys that do side jobs. You get what you pay for, always.
Also there are contracts, contracts that spell out working hours and completion dates and payment schedules.
The thoughts and opinions expressed by me here on this forum are IN NO WAY to be taken as the policy of BASC nor or they to be taken as the opinion of the BASC Board of Directors. They are as they have always been, MY OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS ONLY- Jim
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1890
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
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Dave A
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Posted June 23rd, 2008 06:29 PM IP
Yeah Jim, I am with you on the "you get what you pay for".
My dad is a retired general contractor. I remember many of the jobs he did, did not go as smooth as others. But, he always knew his limitations. He would "no bid" jobs that were too big or too small or that he could not complete on time. He had his niche and knew where he could make money and keep a good reputation for repeat business reasons.
It appears to me that our contractor bit off more than he can chew and we are stuck with him until he completes the job that was agreed upon.
It also appears to me that the board is not happy with them either. I was told by one of the board members Saturday that they regret hiring this contractor and will never do it again.
There are good ones and there are bad ones. Live and learn.
"A gun is not a weapon Marge, it's a tool. Like a butcher knife, or a harpoon, ... or an alligator."
- Homer Simpson
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Mike1951
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Registered: May 2007
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Posted June 23rd, 2008 06:48 PM IP
I do know that Bill and some other directors had a long sit down with the contractor yesterday and hopefully got some issues ironed out.
Mike Earls
TSRA Life Member
NRA Benefactor Member
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JIMTEX
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Registered: May 2007
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Posted June 25th, 2008 05:16 PM IP
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He would "no bid" jobs that were too big or too small or that he could not complete on time. He had his niche and knew where he could make money and keep a good reputation for repeat business reasons.
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Dave,
It sounds like your Dad was one of the good ones. We sure could use some good General contractors nowadays. These Yellow pages work brokers we have today couldn't build a dog house without subcontrators showing them how. It just keeps getting worse too.
I keep listening to the horror stories of people hiring these rocket scientists and paying money up front and getting the shaft!
NO REAL contractor ever!!!!!!! Asks for money up front!!!!
And too cheap is ALWAYS just that, TOO CHEAP.
The thoughts and opinions expressed by me here on this forum are IN NO WAY to be taken as the policy of BASC nor or they to be taken as the opinion of the BASC Board of Directors. They are as they have always been, MY OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS ONLY- Jim
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1890
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
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