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Dave A
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 Posted June 19th, 2011 09:05 PM IP   
Why does the bore of my .270 Win. copper up so fast? When I say fast I mean like 10 rounds.
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JIMTEX
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Posted June 20th, 2011 10:31 AM IP
Usually this is caused by a rough bore. Is it fouled enough to cause innaccuracy? That would be incredibly fast ( 10 shots ).
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The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
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KMart
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Posted June 20th, 2011 04:47 PM IP
Yes, a rough bore. A good working with JB may help. I think you know where to get the stuff.
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and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing
of misery."
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Dave A
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Posted June 20th, 2011 05:38 PM IP
It doesn't feel rough, like a Savage. I think I already used "the stuff" on it once Ken. It may come to that again, rather use KG-12 if you got it yet.
"They" say that the Tikka's have Sako barrels, what ever that's worth.
Gonna try some different bullets after I de-copper.
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KMart
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Posted June 21st, 2011 06:15 AM IP
I have the KG12. I had it at the range Sunday...but no Dave. Send me an email with your tag number on your truck and I will set it in the bed today. The jb is an abrasive and will help smooth out some of the sharp edges.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing
of misery."
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I got this rifle for my wife, pretty good trade, don't you think?
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Vern
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Posted June 21st, 2011 07:12 PM IP
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Dave A wrote:
"They" say that the Tikka's have Sako barrels,
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I just may have learned something! I thought Tikka was a economy version of Sako, made by Sako!
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Dave A
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Posted June 22nd, 2011 06:14 AM IP
You are correct Mr. Vern.
I can't remember where, but I read that the barrels are the same.
Makes sense from a manufacturing standpoint.
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Villarreal
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Posted June 22nd, 2011 07:46 PM IP
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Usually this is caused by a rough bore. Is it fouled enough to cause innaccuracy? That would be incredibly fast ( 10 shots ).
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Well, how clean is the barrel to start with, is it clean?
I don't mean clean with few patches, I mean clean.
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Dave A
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Posted June 23rd, 2011 03:11 PM IP
I brush, then 3 or 4 patches ( I usually flip my patches over so it's really like 6 or 8), all saturated with Butch's.
I repeat this 2 or 3 times. I do this with all of my rifles.
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Vern
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Posted June 24th, 2011 07:36 AM IP
Dave I’m not trying to change your mind on bore cleaner but I did a little test a while back.
For years Sweet’s 7.62 has been my go to cleaner. Tried something different a while back. After a rather long range day I get home and start cleaning with Kroil Oil. Liberally wet the bore and brushed the snot of it, let it sit for about an hour and start over and started patching. Lots of really yucky black stuff. Then I do a repeat. After the patches start coming out pretty clean I switch to Sweets. Let that sit for about 30 min and brush. Patches showed no green and very little in color! Kroil as you know is primarily a penetrating oil. I have just about convinced myself that stuff gets under crud and causes it to turn loose. But then I could be living in a world of delusion.
“that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government”.
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Villarreal
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Posted June 24th, 2011 08:13 AM IP
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Dave A wrote:
I brush, then 3 or 4 patches ( I usually flip my patches over so it's really like 6 or 8), all saturated with Butch's.
I repeat this 2 or 3 times. I do this with all of my rifles.
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May not be enough Dave, What kind of rifle is that, is that the Tikka?
When I've a barrel like that now I used a Remington paste, I don't keep it in my range box, if you like to try it let me know.
G.
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Dave A
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Posted June 25th, 2011 12:20 PM IP
I finally linked up with Ken and got some KG-12. Man that stuff works great.
5 patches got 95% of the copper out.
I have heard good things about Kroil Mr. Vern, and the Rem. paste G.
I may have to use stuff like that for this particular bore. Yeah G., it's the Tikka.
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WALT52
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Posted October 14th, 2011 05:27 PM IP
DOES KG-12 GET OUT POWDER FOULING & COPPER FOULING.
K.WHERE DO YOU GET THIS STUFF.
D. I HAVE A SAKO 85 IN 300 WIN MAG.IT FOULS UP AFTER AROUND 18 TO 20 SHOTS AS WELL.SUPOSED TO BE A MATCH BARRELL. THE ADVERTISE TO BE ANYWAY.
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Did not fall over.
Still got my guns.
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Walter Strickland
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Posted October 16th, 2011 06:49 PM IP
Think I will stay with the Butches.It got out a lot of gunk out of the bores.Just had to let it set a bit.(about 5 minutes)and add brushing to my cleaning chores.
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JIMTEX
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Posted October 17th, 2011 01:00 PM IP
I use the FG-12 on the facory barrels. My 416 Rigby fouls like a summitch and KG-12 does a number on it.
I'd prolly get tennis elbow trying to scrub that copper out with Butche's.....
The thoughts and opinions expressed by me here on this forum are IN NO WAY to be taken as the policy of BASC nor or they to be taken as the opinion of the BASC Board of Directors. They are as they have always been, MY OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS ONLY- Jim
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1890
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
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KMart
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Posted October 17th, 2011 05:34 PM IP
I have read on other forums that another copper remover is out there that is better than KG-12, called Warthog. I am just a big enough catfish to bite but it will be a while. I still have 1 and 1/2 bottle of KG-12 left.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing
of misery."
Winston Churchill
I got this rifle for my wife, pretty good trade, don't you think?
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Walter Strickland
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Posted October 17th, 2011 09:58 PM IP
I don't know about that Jim,you got pretty stout arms.But then u r shooting a half pound slug thru that thing.Butches does fine on the itty bitty bullet fouling.
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Vern
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Posted October 18th, 2011 08:22 AM IP
Well I’m gonna do it again and show my ignerts! What the devil is KG-12? I have heard it mentioned before but have no knowledge of the stuff. Anything like JB? I just purchased a bore scope and have to say I’m impressed with the results of my cleaning process, but anything that would cut back on brush strokes, I’d be interested in!
“that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government”.
Declaration of Independence 1776
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JIMTEX
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Posted October 18th, 2011 10:24 AM IP
I think Butche's works great on "better", "smoother" barrels. But KG-12 is the easiest.
KG-12 is a liquid in a bottle, like all the rest squirt it on a patch scrub it in then dry patch it out after a minute.
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The thoughts and opinions expressed by me here on this forum are IN NO WAY to be taken as the policy of BASC nor or they to be taken as the opinion of the BASC Board of Directors. They are as they have always been, MY OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS ONLY- Jim
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1890
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
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WALT52
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Posted October 18th, 2011 10:57 AM IP
YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT.I WILL PROBABLY ORDER SOME THIS WEEK.
AM IN THE PROCESS OF BEDDING MY .308 SNIPER RIFLE RIGHT NOW.
MR VERN.DAVE SAYS YOU CAN GET KG-12 FROM MIDWAY...
WALT52
Life is good.LIVE IT!!!
All is well:
I woke up breathing.
Did not fall over.
Still got my guns.
So far so good!!!
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KMart
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Posted October 18th, 2011 12:19 PM IP
Vern, I gave Chris a bottle....He is not sharing it with you????
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing
of misery."
Winston Churchill
I got this rifle for my wife, pretty good trade, don't you think?
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Walter Strickland
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Posted October 18th, 2011 01:55 PM IP
Jim,just ordered some KG-12.Will see how she do...
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Vern
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Posted October 18th, 2011 04:22 PM IP
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Vern, I gave Chris a bottle....He is not sharing it with you????
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No! Just you wait, next time I see him I’m gonna throw 165# of cranky senior citizen all over him!
He has been touting JB Bore Clean and them little felt pellet thingies which I have, but haven’t tried as of yet.
“that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government”.
Declaration of Independence 1776
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Walter Strickland
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Posted October 18th, 2011 05:38 PM IP
Thats what friends are for.
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Dave A
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Posted October 18th, 2011 06:00 PM IP
I tried some of them little felt pellet thingies on the subject rifle, with JB.
I don't know if it helped or not. It's a pretty cool concept though, it has to be better than wrapping a patch around a wore out brush, which I also tried.
"A gun is not a weapon Marge, it's a tool. Like a butcher knife, or a harpoon, ... or an alligator."
- Homer Simpson
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KMart
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Posted October 18th, 2011 08:09 PM IP
Tightwad, you still have the used ones you washed out?
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing
of misery."
Winston Churchill
I got this rifle for my wife, pretty good trade, don't you think?
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Walter Strickland
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Posted October 18th, 2011 08:17 PM IP
He does.I saw them...
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Vern
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Posted October 18th, 2011 10:10 PM IP
[Walt said]
“That’s what friends are for”.
Yea, ya got to excuse him, he is Cajun!
Here is something to ponder:
No. Nyet, Verboten! Never run a stainless brush down a barrel. BS! I say again, BS! After I got my bore scope I got to looking at some of the bores on various rifles just for grins and giggles. I have a RR-LAR-8 A4 in .308 w/ stainless barrel. Granted the shooter only has around 5-800 rounds through it. It has been cleaned after each shooting event which entails some 50 rounds. I would estimate that over 80% has been done with a stainless brush. I’m looking down the barrel of this thing and low and behold, not a mark of any nature. No scratches, not even any appearance of abrasion. In fact the bore is bright and shiny as if it has been lapped. Edges of lands are sharp and crisp. What do you want to bet that the barrel would be shot out before the stainless brush had any effect? I come away with two thoughts. More hyperbole by nay sayers shot down and bore scopes are the greatest thing since baked bread.
Oh! To add. You buncha chikin thieves leave Dave alone. Nothin wrong with washing the felt pellets. It lets them swell up again. A little brake cleaner and they be as good as new.
“that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government”.
Declaration of Independence 1776
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KMart
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Posted October 19th, 2011 05:50 AM IP
It is good to know that Dave and I are not the only tightwads here.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing
of misery."
Winston Churchill
I got this rifle for my wife, pretty good trade, don't you think?
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WALT52
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Posted October 19th, 2011 08:04 AM IP
Chicken thieves???
We luv Dave.
You have to be a tite wad to aford this hobby
WALT52
Life is good.LIVE IT!!!
All is well:
I woke up breathing.
Did not fall over.
Still got my guns.
So far so good!!!
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