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captain13
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 Posted June 1st, 2011 08:57 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hey all!
I'm a 16 year old pottery student in NJ
Ive been throwing for all of 9 months so im not super good but always working .
   
captain13
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 Posted June 2nd, 2011 10:35 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
also i have a noobie questions
what is "out of bounds" to ask someone? i know its absurd to ask for an entire recipie (I did about 30 firings to figure ONE glaze out and its nothing like some of the others ive seen) but is it out of line to ask like what oxide is used for something or anything like that?
Thanks so much

sorry im such a noobie
   
William Melstrom
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 Posted June 3rd, 2011 07:38 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Welcome to the Forum!
Two things are out of bounds on this Forum: Religion and Politics.
Other than that, you can ask anything. This Forum is about sharing.

Be sure to look at this thread:
http://s3.excoboard.com/crystal/68767/703241
(Edited by Avi Harriman)

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captain13
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 Posted June 3rd, 2011 10:49 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
i mean like in all good conciousness i can't ask someone for an entire recipe but like would i be too much of a mooch for asking for small pointers?
   
Arnie Benton
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 Posted June 3rd, 2011 11:45 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hey Captain -
I would suggest you start by clicking on the link in William's post. There's a huge amount of readily available info there. Start by reading one of the 2 books listed.
No one can give you a guarantee that a particular question you ask will get a complete answer. But no one will criticize you for asking.
Some folks, like me, will answer about anything asked. I've posted pictures of many pots with complete details of recipes, firing schedules, etc. Others are making a living at this and keep some things to themselves. Try getting the recipe for coca cola.

Arnie Benton
   
Holly McKeen
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 Posted June 3rd, 2011 12:42 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Welcome Young Noobie Captain.

You can always ask anything you want to on this Forum, and in life -- you may not always get answers - but that doesn't mean you shouldn't or cannot ask. You can certainly ask for a "whole recipe". Why not? Asking for a part of a recipe will do you no good. Go for it. You may get it, you may not. It depends.

Like Arnie says, you will find that everyone has different approaches to their responses on the Forum (and on the phone, and in person and in life)
We all have different manners of potting -- for example, I make a living at my potting and I have worked very hard over some years to get my recipes, clay body, application & firing schedule working exactly as I want them to. My recipes have been tweeked and moved along over time, and no I don't share those - although I will always point people to a good 3110 recipe that is in the books and that many folks use -- I have sometimes used it for specific purposes, and I believe is very easy to get consistent results with it. Here it is:

3110 - 48%
Zinc - 25%
EPK - 1.5%
Silica - 18%

OK, now add 6% titanium, and the glaze will change from a clear white background behind the crystals, to a solid white ground.
Now add 2% copper carb. and it will be a pretty light green...(see how that is different with and without the titanium) make it 6% copper and it will be a dark and dramatic green. Now here's a fun part... set your firing schedule with the hold temperatures at 2050 deg F for 3 hours and then do another firing with your hold temp at 1850 deg F, and watch how the colours and shapes of the crystals in this same recipe change!!! My point is that it's not all about the recipe. Someone may post a pic, and give you the recipe, but if you fire it in a different schedule, you will get a very different look.

So there you go! Lots of info to start to play with. All of this and MUCH more are located in the books in Williams's link post. Check them out and read them cover to cover -- we all have.. that will give you a great starting point, and fill your next ten years.

But always remember, it's not just about a recipe -- it's about the recipe, the clay you use, the way you put the glaze on and the way you fire it. That's why the same recipe can look completely different for you than for me.

We are all different & we all have different ways of doing each step. Most of us like getting unique results that no one else is getting, so we don't always share everything.

Some trade info like baseball cards, some give it away freely, some keep it very close to the chest always... like our glazes we are all different. Mostly we share an awful lot! I've had potters come to my shop and say they are amazed by how much information I gave them. Why not? Their pots won't look like mine in the end anyway.

So go ahead and ask away! See what you get. Don't be offended if no one responds. Sometimes, I will go off line to give an answer that I don't mind sharing with one person, but I'm not yet ready to put it out there to the world... you never know what you might get. But do your homework too...

BUT... most important is to be able to made a decent pot to put these awesome glazes on... so keep on throwing. Make 100 cup forms to start and keep going. Try 100 teapot forms and keep going.

So HAVE FUN!
Cheers,
Holly in British Columbia, Canada

(Edited by Holly McKeen)

Still livin the dream,
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captain13
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 Posted June 4th, 2011 12:22 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
thanks so much
I'm pretty new to this game but hopefully I'll get to the point that im sharing some of the secrets ive discovered... I never knew there was so much to crystal glazes but im only a student so the teacher isn't quite ready to let me operate the kiln
   
glennwoods
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 Posted June 4th, 2011 10:58 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hey Captain

Welcome to the Forum - you have already found how generous and giving this group can be - what a great gift!

Now, please commit to reading - there is so much to absorb that you might otherwise miss if you stumble on to a great recipe. Check out the websites of Ginny Conrow, John Tilton, Marsha Silverman, Wiliam Melstrom, Bill Campbell, Jamie Koslowski, and Robert Hessler - just to name a few and pay attention to the beautiful forms. Learning to master the glazes is certainly a very big part of what we do here but beautiful forms are what separate good crystalline pots from amazing crystalline pots.
Welcome and good luck with your tests!
Glenn Woods
   
captain13
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 Posted June 5th, 2011 03:48 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
thanks so much glen
Ive learned so much from my own throwing and perusing the internet about crystalline pottery, it is so true that you need to give the glaze an elegantly simple beautiful form.
Also a side not English is not my first language so, although I try hard, my grammar is by no means perfect
   
mohawkpiper
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 Posted June 6th, 2011 01:12 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Yo captain,
just curious, you are a pottery student in NJ, does that mean you are doing ceramics and crystalline glazes in high school? or is this outside of high school?
Being able to do crystalline at such a young age is inspiring to me. I bet you grow up to be pretty good at it, as long as you stick to it. We had a few clay classes in my area in high school, but there were no wheels, or glazing and firing.
There are many things i wish i were able to start doing at your age, crystalline is one of them.

lookin forward to seeing your stuff!

G

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captain13
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 Posted June 6th, 2011 03:35 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Its a high school class... Also its such an opportunity, its taught me so much both about clay and life in general... Its kinda funny a week or two a made a piece that I looked at for the first time in a while a few weeks ago. Then just today I brought home another piece and the difference is amazing how much I've come in just these 8 or so months. But then I look at any one else's pots and the wind is quickly taken out of my sails
   
glennwoods
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 Posted June 21st, 2011 05:00 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hey Cap,

It is easy to fall into that trap - when you look at other people's work - let that be the wind that fills your sales with the desire and energy to move forward. Every year I think I get better and every year I look back with some level of embarrasment at what I used to think was good. I also look at others whose work blows me away as proof positive that I still have so much to learn - so much opportunity! It is very exciting - enjoy
Glenn Woods
   
glennwoods
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 Posted June 21st, 2011 05:01 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I meant to say "wind in your sails" . . . but if it leads to sales, so much the better!
Glenn
   
mohawkpiper
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 Posted June 21st, 2011 06:21 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
i totally agree with Glenn. i dont sell much of my stuff, but i like to show it to ppl. when i show it, they're like, oh thats cool, can i have one? im like , here, its yours...

Because of that, naturally my parents have a ton of my stuff lying around their house, from the time i first started throwing until now, since they always ask for stuff, i always bring them something when i go visit now.
I look at the stuff i have been making recently and think, this is decent, its ok but i like it, but looking at other peoples work i think mine is nowhere in comparison and it could seriously be a lot better. The shapes could be better, it could be lighter, the crystal coverage and shape and color could be better...
i feel like im not improving much. Or improving at a very slow pace, almost like ive capped off with my improvement.

But then i go visit my parents once every few months and since they have a bunch of my stuff i see almost like (well, actually not almost like, it really is) a progression of all the work i have done from the start til now. The earliest stuff is heavy, bulky, have poor feet, all sorts of stuff. Pick up a couple pieces that are spread out timewise by when they were made and you can tell i seriously have come a long way. My improvement hasnt capped at all.

So i try to compare my work to my previous work (not other peoples work), and when i do that the stuff im doing now is incredible. So other people post up pictures of their work, and i may think that it is absolutely mind blowing, but rather than thinking i will never be there, i will never be able to do that, or my stuff is junk because I think someone else's stuff is far superior than mine, i think, thats really cool, i want to be able to do that. I think, with practice, i can do that. Maybe not tomorrow, but one day. I look at it, figure out why i think or what i think about it that makes it mind blowing, and try to apply that to my work. I dont however try to duplicate it entirely. I pick out what i like about it and try add that to my stuff but adding in my own little part of me. That way its still my stuff and not a copy of someone elses. If it doesnt come out the way i envisioned it, thats ok, its still waay better than the stuff i was doing yesterday, but ill still work toward what i had in mind. Tweak something, and try again. Rather than seeing other work and being discouraged, i see it and get inspired and strive for it, or even past it. Take it, and see what i can to do it to add my own little touch and make it even better.

Everything takes time and practice to be good at it. If you want it, stick with it, and you will have it.

This forum has been incredible for me. Before this, all i had were those books everyone talks about along with the price brothers book. But they can only take you so far, you have to do the rest. But its ok to get help along the way, whether it be pictures for inspiration or questions about something that isnt working for you.

Anyways, this got much longer than anticipated...
so short version, be positive and inspired my friend. Move forward, not backward.

animator by day, potter by night
   
jhp
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 Posted June 21st, 2011 07:18 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Ditto with what Glenn & the Piper have said. I do exactly the same thing that Mr. Piper does except I don't have to go to my parents house. When they died, we had to go through everything that was left in the house. Of course they had my pottery scattered throughout the house & I wanted to just chuck it all. Well, my siblings each wanted their favorite pieces & my wife insisted on a couple for herself, so now whenever I feel like I am not improving, I just go look at the couple of pieces from high school & college & I realize that all I have to do is be better than I was yesterday. You are still going to see some mind blowing stuff here on the forum, but you can use that to dig a little deeper & pull yourself up a little farther to reach that next rung on the ladder. jhp
justa hack potter
   



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