| December 10th, 2010 05:50 PM |
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| Jon |
...and Zoot Allures. The source files get better as time goes on.
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| December 10th, 2010 05:53 PM |
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| S Giacomelli |
I love how he describes LBJ as a B-movie used car salesman! |
| December 10th, 2010 06:57 PM |
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| IanWagner |
Don't forget Roxy And Elsewhere and Bongo Fury, Jon! |
| December 10th, 2010 10:26 PM |
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| Jon |
Ah, right!! I totally forgot those!!
Are you gonna be dealing with Trout Mask at all? Do I need to do that one?
Also: I'm not happy with "One Size" once I see it on my monitor at home. I'm gonna mess with it more tomorrow. And obviously I need to adjust my monitor setting!!
Also: I did some serious digging and found a photocopy of the original Lather cover from the 70s. So yeah -- I'll be doing that one, not the stupid cow one! |
| December 10th, 2010 10:40 PM |
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| IanWagner |
Great work, Jon!!!!!!!!!!
Yep, I'll be doing Trout, and Permanent Damage too. I expect greatness on that last one. |
| December 10th, 2010 10:57 PM |
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JLP:KK? |
| December 10th, 2010 11:07 PM |
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| December 10th, 2010 11:08 PM |
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| December 10th, 2010 11:13 PM |
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Also: I did some serious digging and found a photocopy of the original Lather cover from the 70s. So yeah -- I'll be doing that one, not the stupid cow one!
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I didn't know Lather had a cover in the 70s. Now I'm excited. Well, kind of. Say, excited as someone about to be buried in 12-20 inches of snow can be. |
| December 10th, 2010 11:14 PM |
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| December 10th, 2010 11:15 PM |
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I didn't know Lather had a cover in the 70s. Now I'm excited. Well, kind of. Say, excited as someone about to be buried in 12-20 inches of snow can be.
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I'm excited to make it for you! But also not excited for the same snow-related reason. |
| December 10th, 2010 11:30 PM |
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| December 10th, 2010 11:55 PM |
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| December 11th, 2010 01:08 AM |
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| December 11th, 2010 02:02 AM |
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| G2 |
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I didn't know Lather had a cover in the 70s. Now I'm excited. Well, kind of. Say, excited as someone about to be buried in 12-20 inches of snow can be.
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I thought it was the treatment on the inside cover of the cow booklet. |
| December 11th, 2010 10:13 AM |
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| Jon |
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I thought it was the treatment on the inside cover of the cow booklet.
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What's that look like? |
| December 11th, 2010 10:26 AM |
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Wow. I've been listening to this for the first time, on youTube, and I'm amazed by what I'm hearing. For some reason I'm totally hit, right off the bat, on my first hearing.
Anyone got a vinyl rip of this (or perhaps the CD release is fine), so I can get started on this album before we get to it in the chronology? I've been looking around the web with no luck. It seems most sites with uploads are malware infested now.
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| December 11th, 2010 10:42 AM |
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Nice! I was the same way with that one--loved it immediately. I've always believed that people who thought it was difficult were just coming at it wrong. It's the most natural thing there is. I can wait to see if anyone has vinyl they're going to upload for you, and if not I can do the CD. |
| December 11th, 2010 10:54 AM |
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| IanWagner |
I'd advise just buying that one, Todd. |
| December 11th, 2010 12:38 PM |
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| Jon |
Yeah, that's an essential. PS: the cover for that was rough! It took ages to find any kind of decent scan, had to redo the background and fonts, and add in the "Straight" label. You'd think someone would have done a decent cover version of that before now, but NOOOO.
I have the GTO's to do today (HUGE blizzard -- 24 inches they're saying, glad I'm indoors with movies ad such) and then I'm tackling Lather. It's gonna take some time and some finesse, believe you me. And you'll go "why did you bother, it's not even that cool," but I'm weird like that. |
| December 11th, 2010 01:16 PM |
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...and here, as promised, is Permanent Damage.
Ian, did Zappa produce the Alice Cooper record and the Grand Funk record? Do I need to do those?
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| December 11th, 2010 01:30 PM |
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Nice! I was the same way with that one--loved it immediately. I've always believed that people who thought it was difficult were just coming at it wrong. It's the most natural thing there is. I can wait to see if anyone has vinyl they're going to upload for you, and if not I can do the CD.
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I agree, the album just sounds so natural, and with a strong sense of place too. There is a world to be explored here.
I decided I'll just buy it soon, and listen to the playlist on YouTube for now, but thanks anyways man.
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| December 11th, 2010 01:35 PM |
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That's interesting, because for an AVERAGE listener -- and by "average" I mean "generally people with a more mainstream listening habit than the people here" -- "Trout Mask" is seen (wrongly, I think!) as an offputting album. It's so great that you warmed to it right away.
It's the most Zappa-ish of the Beefheart records -- so much of the cut-n-paste style was Frank's, it turns out.
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| December 11th, 2010 02:20 PM |
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What's that look like?
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http://www.sendspace.com/file/33kpts
I can't recall the source of the attribution, but I believe this was to be the cover of the box. However, there's a lot of evidence that the Joe's Garage cover is actually from the Läther cover shoot, so I dunno what to believe. |
| December 11th, 2010 02:55 PM |
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Wow. I've been listening to this for the first time, on youTube, and I'm amazed by what I'm hearing. For some reason I'm totally hit, right off the bat, on my first hearing.
Anyone got a vinyl rip of this (or perhaps the CD release is fine), so I can get started on this album before we get to it in the chronology? I've been looking around the web with no luck. It seems most sites with uploads are malware infested now.
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Very cool that you dig Beefheart, Todd. To me, that's one of the ultimate palate cleanser-type albums. Whenever I feel like I'm in a musical rut, or I get the feeling that everything has already been done or something, Trout Mask Replica is always something that can bring me out of it and point the way towards some new possibilities. A lot of Zappa's work in general can work the same way for me.
To anybody who knows, was Trout Mask edited down in any way to fit on one CD? I'm just asking because if I recall correctly, I think the CD clocks in at something ridiculously close to 80 minutes, like 79:50 or something. If all the original music on there was able to fit that perfectly on CD, that's a hell of a fortunate coincidence. I've got a vinyl, and haven't heard anything different jumping out at me, but it's possible they could have faded something out a little early or made a minor cut here and there and I wouldn't have noticed. |
| December 11th, 2010 03:03 PM |
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By the way, I listened to the most recent installment last night with the Zappa/Mothers interview, and like the one before it, it's also entertaining as all hell. The first interview, with Zappa alone talking about all the technical aspects of record-making, is really fascinating. That guy totally knew his shit in the studio; it's fascinating hearing him give such a long and detailed explanation of the techniques and equipment he used to make those records. And then the second part, where some of the other Mothers are present, was just a riot. Motorhead and Jimmy Carl Black both have the type of speaking voices where pretty much everything they say is funny, no matter what. Motorhead especially; before this thread, I had always assumed for some reason that all the stuff about girls and cars from Lumpy Gravy was somebody putting on a goofy voice and making fun of people who kind of talk like that, but even in regular conversation, that's exactly the way that guy speaks. Even when he's just talking about the proper way to make strawberry salads, he's just hilarious to me. And the creepy voice/sound effects improvisation was kind of amazing; did they just do that entire thing live in the studio as it was broadcast? The thought of tuning in and hearing something that cool in a live rock band interview on a radio station is kind of incredible. |
| December 11th, 2010 03:14 PM |
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http://www.sendspace.com/file/33kpts
I can't recall the source of the attribution, but I believe this was to be the cover of the box. However, there's a lot of evidence that the Joe's Garage cover is actually from the Läther cover shoot, so I dunno what to believe.
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There's a board out there that's like the Smile Shop used to be, only for Zappa -- someone dug up a bunch of stuff from whatever label was gonna put out Lather, including track sheets, a ton of other documentation and a photocopy of the cover photo. And indeed, it's the Joe's Garage cover with different type. But Zappa shopped that to a couple different labels -- maybe more than one did a mockup or got covers ready to publish. Dunno! At this point it's probably all true.
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| December 11th, 2010 03:17 PM |
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And then the second part, where some of the other Mothers are present, was just a riot. Motorhead and Jimmy Carl Black both have the type of speaking voices where pretty much everything they say is funny, no matter what. Motorhead especially; before this thread, I had always assumed for some reason that all the stuff about girls and cars from Lumpy Gravy was somebody putting on a goofy voice and making fun of people who kind of talk like that, but even in regular conversation, that's exactly the way that guy speaks. Even when he's just talking about the proper way to make strawberry salads, he's just hilarious to me.
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YES!! Those continued anthroplogical re-presentations are one of the key things that make the whole ouvre great. |
| December 11th, 2010 05:45 PM |
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Very cool that you dig Beefheart, Todd. To me, that's one of the ultimate palate cleanser-type albums. Whenever I feel like I'm in a musical rut, or I get the feeling that everything has already been done or something, Trout Mask Replica is always something that can bring me out of it and point the way towards some new possibilities. A lot of Zappa's work in general can work the same way for me.
To anybody who knows, was Trout Mask edited down in any way to fit on one CD? I'm just asking because if I recall correctly, I think the CD clocks in at something ridiculously close to 80 minutes, like 79:50 or something. If all the original music on there was able to fit that perfectly on CD, that's a hell of a fortunate coincidence. I've got a vinyl, and haven't heard anything different jumping out at me, but it's possible they could have faded something out a little early or made a minor cut here and there and I wouldn't have noticed.
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Thanks for you thoughts on this album Jason.
Yeah, I'm listening again right now, and I just can't believe how amazing this thing is.
And what a treat to hear a bass clarinet in the mix. A favorite instrument of mine. Wow. i'm so excited about this thing. It's like hearing Ives for the first time. It is a joy.
This may be my true door to Zappa too.
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| December 11th, 2010 07:12 PM |
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...and here, as promised, is Permanent Damage.
Ian, did Zappa produce the Alice Cooper record and the Grand Funk record? Do I need to do those?
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
You have no idea how long I've been looking for a good cover image of that! You're the man.
I won't be doing the Alice, but I will be doing the Grand Funk, and Jeff Simmons' Lucille Has Messed My Mind Up, as well as Jean-Luc Ponty's King Kong album. And that Ruben And The Jets album For Real. |
