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Posted March 18th, 2009 05:11 PM IP
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OTC Unfiltered

Looks like a change in format. It makes sense. The diminished roster gives everyone a spot on the main card, so there is no reason for the slightly demeaning B-Show match.

Many fun RPs here, as well. The Darkman / Keenan interaction is great and I always love seeing Sammy Knight "doing good". One of the few faces who can pull it off. I also enjoy the contrast of Deathknell and Spooky Doom approaching the "Dark Side" character from totally opposite sides of the spectrum. At this time I prefer the very colourful Deathknell-flashes, although the use of ALL-CAPS is terribly distracting. Does he really shout everything?

On to the main show.

I enjoyed the opening in-ring, but I would say that, right?

Sammy vs Deathknell was pretty interesting. Both men came out looking strong and it set the stage for "the Dark Man" rampaging through Conquest almost all night long.

The women are doing their thing and again, good matchwriting. I would really like to see who is writing what matches.

Spooky Doom's debut against Owen Cage who I will keep an eye on because of his strong showing against Frost last Conquest. Fun match, no overhyping of Spooky as I slightly feared but a clash of equals. I have to admit, having Deathknell come out and beat up all three cruisers involved with some sweet spots was my favorite moment of the card not involving my own character.

But all is not rosy for Deathknell as Broussard (when did he drop his first name, exactly?) seeks revenge for his loss. I reckon that a second match between these two will be far more competitive than the first one.

More Darkman / Keening goodness. Is the same handler behind it? Otherwise, marvelous interaction!

Spooky Doom and Serena Black? I did not see that coming. Will Serena fall for another comedy character?

Van Wild squash match. Nice chance to show off that character a little more. Even more Deathknell. How did he get rid of Broussard? And the return of Scott Starring? Fantastic character, although I am curious how Van Wild and Starring will continue since I do not see a tag-team division until we have re-established the singles division ...

The Sammy Knight segments have been short and to the point. I do not think that they needed to be longer but ... I screwed up the Knight / Frost segment pretty badly because I did not realize that these backstage segments would take place on this card. So, Frost did a pretty unexpected wardrobe change in the middle of the night. Anyone who can explain that continuity mindboggler for a No-Prize?

Great Davis segment. I am happy to see that he is not just "mad as hell" and "trying to destroy SPW" as I first feared. The whole movie star arrogance works better than I thought.

Main Event. Match of the night. I was happy to see that most of my strat was used. Volga's ugly fighting style really shone in this as well (which I mean as a compliment) and the result is really the best booking I can imagine ... getting over the rear naked choke monstrously and building up the most credible challenger to Sammy Knight with decisive showings.

Thumbs up from me for the show.
 

shaunsindelman
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Posted March 19th, 2009 12:31 AM IP
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OTC Thoughts (I did not read Tommy (Frost)'s thoughts before I read the show so pardon if there are some redundancies)

* Frost's promo was very spot-on for his attitude right now. Plus I already know that Frost vs Volga is gonna be a good match so there is no need for excessive promo talk by Frost in that respect.

* I spoke w/ Keenan's handler (coincidentally named Jeff Keenan as well) and he was quite shocked to find out he was the Talent Exec. So I don't know if he is on-board now or if the Keenan character is being used without his permission still. Regardless, the segment btwn him and Darkman as a pseudo advisor/mentor is an interesting story.

* Serena Black as a scorn woman pining for Owen Cage -- very intriguing.

* And then we have Owen Cage being his usual hype machine. I'm definitely rooting for him on the simple level that he is facing Spooky Doom.

* I refuse to read Spooky Doom's work only based on his constant mentioning of this "deadman uncle" (which i think he is now doing just to piss me off)

* Deathknell -- must you SCREAM everything?!?

* And Sammy Knight in typical fashion tells us an important message while educating others. This right here is why he continues to represent SPW as the World champ.

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Hr 1 Thoughts

* Frost totally on point with his overt heel status. And Volga played the ying to his yang. Honestly, I like the mini feud btwn these two at the top of the ladder -- no longer does the title challenger need to focus on the champ and the champ alone.

* Nice match between Knight and Deathknell. A monster heel needs to do such things to get over. I must say the match was well written for Will's first time.

* AJ Black with a good segment as well.

* Good hardfought match between the SoS and Jasy/Stacia B. I'm sure we'll be seeing alot more of Stacia once she hits the singles scene.

* Knight got himself a partner for the CL Memorial show -- good choice in Broussard.

* Sorry Owen Cage but I had to skip your match due to Spooky involvement. All I gathered in the end was that Serena cost Cage the match (what a b*tch) and Deathknell did us all a favor by putting Spooky down.

* So the fans outside of SPW will get to bear witness to Knight vs Volga (plus 2 other peeps on both sides) - very cool

* Nice to see Poet Wright hasn't lost her touch -- and now Jasy has not one but TWO contenders to keep an eye out for. Oh the woes of being a champ in SPW.

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Hr 2 Thoughts

* Finally! Someone to possibly bring the big man down -- once again, Broussard assumes the role of SPW's version of Bryan Danielson as he contends w/ the monsters (just like Danielson deals w/ Morishima and Bison Smith in RoH)

* Hmm ... I wonder if we'll see a complete in-ring return of Jeff Keenan to feud w/ Bryan Vincent. Good be an interesting idea, bookerman.

* _SNORE_ -- more Spooky stuff. Serena Black's stock just went down with her association to the Spooky One.

* And somehow the timeframe got mixed up because everyone kept referring to the CL showcase match as if it were that night -- oops.

* Van Wild w/ the squash victory -- only to be caught by Deathknell. And what a surprise return by Scott Starring... although, I don't buy it seeing the way Starring left SPW in the first place. Could've used a backstage segment to clarify Starring's intentions.

* Wow! Some very intense statements from Andrew Davis. That man speaks the truth and if I were Sammy Knight, i'd take offense to his allegations.

* Good main event -- both men went over well without losing any heat.
 

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Posted March 19th, 2009 08:22 AM IP
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Wow, what a bitch! If you're already feeling butt-hurt over me winning (and don't say you don't read it when you clearly know who wins/the results of the beatdown), then it's not gonna get any better for you in the future! My advice to you is that if you don't like it, learn to love it 'cause it's the best thing going on today: because diamonds are forever and so is eternal damnation! Wooooooo!

Let's see what I can do about this...

OTC thoughts.

"Darkman" Bryan Vincent needs to stick to a name because otherwise, using both names seperately is hella confusing. So he's Bryan Vincent, Jeff Keenan's (David Demola?) protege. Not having the character in question speak or do anything of note in a OTC is death in the sense that there's no way to gauge the character itself and we're left judging a promo where everything happens TO him (Darkman) rather than he being the protagonist of his own little story.

Owen man, tries FAR too hard in trying to bury the competition. Hey, I'm ex-ICWF, but not everyone who leaves their fed hates it! Who are you trying to get heat from anyways? SPW quitters who joined the ICWF? Are they still reading? (protip: if you want to make fun of the ICWF, make fun of the fact that their world champ is 5' 4"!)

Deathknell to me is Frostbite doing Khârn the Betrayer. It's the over the top evil barbarian in 2009 wrestling. I triple dog dare the handler to do a proper evil Ultimate Warrior promo, because right now I really couldn't be able to imagine a Deathknell gimmick in RL without ridiculizing it.


CONQUEST.

Starts with false face heat, but the insta-heart punch shouldn't really work. Don't you typically pull the opponent's left arm over their head before delivering the punch in question? In practice, the heart punch is actually pretty contrived to set-up. Unless you just mean, "punch in the chest just like that".

Deathknell got a lot of leeway with the champ, just what he needed; but kicking out of the main finisher move? Never good, I know I wouldn't have liked it. My advice for the handler would be to change the bio a bit to turn the Last Salvation Driver as the regular finisher and have the Space Angel Drop used semi-regularly pinning non-RPers/beatdown finisher/lionsault finisher equivalent.

Women's match is surprisingly technical, if not clinically so. I would've prefered more play over the fact that veteran & newcomer were fighting against the threat of the bottle blondes: this was much more an exhibition of technique between the four.

Speaking of which, next match (Spooky Doom's!) was totally exhibition: everybody does their dives, everybody does their signature moves, everybody does their finishers... Whoops, guess that's just me! Fun match that's perfectly TV. Beatdown goes well enough, but we'll see too many Deathknell appearences in the future (3 assaults total + match with Sammy Knight? Kinda overkill).

Overkill: great name for a Deathknell finisher, btw.

Part 2

Okay, I admit that I don't really get Darkman yet, but I guess this is a "mentor turns on student" deal and we're going to have a feud going on soon; sounds much more like a handler having his own characters feud together. Could I just have more exposition from the character himself, because right now he's everybody else's "target".

I thought for a sec that Hotstuff would be the returning champion underneath a mask. Nice little non-squash victory for Van Wild. Again more Deathknell, even AFTER the Broussard confrontation. I'd book Starring vs Deathknell more so then Broussard vs Deathknell from what i read through the card.

Frost/Knight did an excellent job setting up the Ringu Faira PPV, I'll give props to Frost for doing the right thing and going all out in elevating Volga. As it is, it'll make for a more compelling post-PPV picture with a break-up of Black Mass fighting off against themselves in a heated feud with two handlers who've proven they worked well together.
 


"This mother fucker URRRRR!!! YIPE YIPE YIPE YIPE YIPE!!!! While we were eating fucking hamburgers, I was in heaven!"
- Bryan Kendrick, on Spooky Doom's uncle burning due to pyro malfunction
NEW: My uncle, in a pillow fight.

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Posted March 19th, 2009 09:59 AM IP
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small note there bubba...


Nobody mocks ICWF much at all anymore.....ironically it stopped the moment you left.

OK...it wasn't ironic.....it was a fact.


Focus on your stuff and this league. Because me thinks you are just the latest....slight buildup to be fed to someone better character AJ loves to use.


SpookyDoom
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Posted March 19th, 2009 12:05 PM IP
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For all your efforts in trying to at least patch things up, you have got to stop this fucking gimmick you got in thinking you speak for other people.

"People" did not bash the ICWF, you did. Through your BS ICR ratings, through your comments on GZR; it was all you speaking for whatever imaginary people living inside your head. Now you've received the ICWF presidency, mostly for the fact that nobody else wanted the workload: you say nobody mocks it, even though evidence (OTC) clearly shows otherwise. Just quit talking for other people when it's clearly you speaking from your own bias. Live in fucking reality.
 


"This mother fucker URRRRR!!! YIPE YIPE YIPE YIPE YIPE!!!! While we were eating fucking hamburgers, I was in heaven!"
- Bryan Kendrick, on Spooky Doom's uncle burning due to pyro malfunction
NEW: My uncle, in a pillow fight.

shaunsindelman
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Posted March 19th, 2009 12:42 PM IP
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I got a better idea --

Why don't you both quit arguing about this on the SPW board? And if you must discuss it, do it over PM, IM, or email. Nobody in SPW wants to hear about bashing, especially when it involves another company.

Any bashing should be done IC and have a purpose behind it -- I think Owen Cage's bashing of ICWF is within reason of Owen's character (pompous jerk)
 

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gimmick?

Reality is not a gimmick, kid.

The posts that I post on here are not in a character. they are me. This is an Out of Character board.

I'm finished with you as I am sure others will be shortly. I bash once on GZR and you turn it into something to hang your hat on. Yet I have gotten note after note....all bashing it while you were there. Nobody does that anymore. We had people actually show interest in reading the shows and joining AFTER you left.

That is a fact that is backed up by others (Sindelman, Brandon C., and many others who think you are not worth the sweat off their e-balls)

I'm done with you. I hope AJ realizes what a waste you are before you damage SPW the way you nearly did ICWF.

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Posted March 19th, 2009 05:49 PM IP
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Oh Hopper, how can we ever miss you if you won't go away?

Your gimmick for claiming to speak on behalf of others is pretty much the same as Shaun's gimmick for getting all butt-hurt over simple details in the grand hobby of e-wrestling. If that's real life, then that's real life; it's just less shameful as a gimmick.

Brandon and I (and Matt) pretty much talked for 2 hours trying to get me to stay in the ICWF after you had accepted the fedhead job. I certainly cannot believe what you say about Brandon after the very real efforts undertaken trying to keep me as ICWF (does he even know that you're talking on his behalf?); though if you want to believe a lie so as to make your fedhead position more bearable, all the more power to you. Just stop inventing imaginary people to agree with you: nobody agrees with you except for people as delusional as yourself.
 


"This mother fucker URRRRR!!! YIPE YIPE YIPE YIPE YIPE!!!! While we were eating fucking hamburgers, I was in heaven!"
- Bryan Kendrick, on Spooky Doom's uncle burning due to pyro malfunction
NEW: My uncle, in a pillow fight.

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Ask him. I dare you. In fact.....I'll show it to him myself and he can chime in.

And...forget not that *I* even spent 2 hours chatting with you about staying....and all I ever got in return was being called a liar.


I don't believe anyone will consider *ME* the delusional one here.

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Well, I can’t post on SPW’s board, so I figured I’d type this up and if you want to post it, feel free. If he wants to get back to me at the web@intensewrestling.org address, he’s welcome.



First and foremost, I want to make perfectly clear the notion that I am not just saying what I’m about to say for Spookster, this is for the benefit of SPW because I firmly believe that every strong e-fed only helps the game not hurt it. AJ, consider this beneficial and a warning from one person working very hard to see one federation succeed to another.



Protip: The current ICWF Champion will be defending it on the next show. A concept that seemed out of your grasp.



Now as you know (and for those who don’t), I help deal with ICWF talent. A good chunk of ICWF talent, and specifically those who have chosen to come over from SPW, were waiting for Spooky to leave the federation. As much as Doom may not be able to take a 5’ 4” champion seriously, a good half dozen people couldn’t take Spooky Doom as World Champion seriously as he is.



“Now you've received the ICWF presidency, mostly for the fact that nobody else wanted the workload”



Wrong again. I was going to take over for Matt if Chris didn’t.



“Your gimmick for claiming to speak on behalf of others is pretty much the same as Shaun's gimmick for getting all butt-hurt over simple details in the grand hobby of e-wrestling. If that's real life, then that's real life; it's just less shameful as a gimmick.”



Wow. You’re pointing the finger at someone about getting butt-hurt over e-wrestling? Pot meet kettle. You should’ve whined to me about how to write the Coffin Cutter a little more before retiring it because no one seemed to be able to master the fine art of how to properly pull off that literary magnum opus of ring work.



“Brandon and I (and Matt) pretty much talked for 2 hours trying to get me to stay in the ICWF after you had accepted the fedhead job. “



Waaaaaait a minute here, Hoss. We didn’t speak for two hours. Five minutes? Okay. Ten minutes? Sure. I’d even be willing to say 15 minutes, but you’re out of your mind and outright lying if you suggest that Matt or I spoke to you for two hours either combined or apiece trying to get you to stay put.



“I certainly cannot believe what you say about Brandon after the very real efforts undertaken trying to keep me as ICWF (does he even know that you're talking on his behalf?)”



Yes he does and I was working at it to give it a shot. You wanted to play jilted lover and I don’t have time to waste on another Josh Curtis. As I said before, there were people waiting, I knew it and I’d make the trade again ten times out of ten.



Believe it or not, CC, when Spooky first came onto the scene in ICWF, I thought the character had promise and it did. That was then, this is now and the character hasn’t changed. That’s a big red flag (AJ, this is for you). We both know that once Chris took over your paranoia got the best of you and no matter how your character won or lost based on actual merit, once you lost (and you would’ve), you’d just blame it on Chris, throw a temper tantrum and play the victim card.



You had plenty of time to show us all that you were a cancer to our group just like you’ll be a cancer to this one. AJ, do yourself a favor and sever now. You’ll be happier for it later.

Also, since I know you won’t believe that I actually wrote this, you’re welcome to contact me and ask me directly if that paranoia meter’s blinking. Somehow I think you’ll figure out that this note’s legit, though. Just a hunch. Lates, babe.

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I'll say this with due respect extended to everyone involved. _Everyone_ has a fair shot and a fair chance here in SPW. I think Christian's a talented roleplayer and his match he wrote this week was very good. I couldn't care less about the personal rivalries between parties as I have nothing to do with that. However everyone has critics, especially me, believe me, and in the long run the federation continues regardless so I'm really just not concerned at all. Thank you.

AJ


 
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