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justme
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 11:31 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Josh and marla Martin are foster parents and took a foster daughter to the hospital earlier this week. Josh was charged with child abuse and put in prison (he is now out on bail) the child had bleeding on her brain and bruising. They took her off of life support 24 hours ago and she is still alive at this time. All signs point towards meningitis. Please pray that the doctors ran all possible tests and can determine what caused her death. If not Josh could be charged with murder.
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mnmom
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 11:41 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Praying!!! Made me sick to read how they portrayed it in the paper.
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cretorakline
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 12:24 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I also read the accounts online and I'm totally confused. Do you know this couple personally do you can clear up any questions? No matter what the truth is, we should keep Praying for them!

Did they just have her a month? (I read he was being accused of old bruises indicating 'abuse' was ongoing, not a one time occurance) that didn't jive....(I use the term abuse loosely because I dot know whether he did it or not. I don't want to believe any of it is true)

Also, is the little girl dead or alive?

(of course there are many questions that pop into my mind, but I just pray that ultimate God is glorified)

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jimmysgirl
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 12:30 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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....and she is still alive at this time.........determine what caused her death.


I am also confused as to whether or not she is still living. ???

It is so sad that someone is immediately accused of something without complete evidence. Praying for them.....

Where are they from?

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justme
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 02:10 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Sorry. I should have proof read my post. Here is the latest update I received:

They really need our prayers!! They took the little girl (Bella is her name) of life support as of more than 24 horsu ago. the last I heard she was still living. Josh and Marla are saying that she didn't have any brusing when the took her to the hospital. All her signs and symtoms leading up are consitant with Menenjities. Please pray hard that the doctors ran all the test they could and just didn't assume it was abuse! If she dies which was why they took her of life support Josh will face muder charges! PLEASE PRAY!!!
They are from Reinholds Pennsylvania.

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cretorakline
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 02:21 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
So can reporters get into trouble for slander? Because the news reports are full of outright lies if what you're saying is true.
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cretorakline
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 02:24 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Also who would make the decision to pull her off of life support? Did they have to call in Bella's bio mom or does the state make that call or what? Oh, my heart just goes out to them and I keep thinking about them all day. God have mercy on us all.
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mfajita
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 02:36 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Praying!
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justme
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 03:41 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
According to the information I got from a Friend of the family, the news article has it all wrong BUT you know how things can get twisted in such a situation. I don't know who would have the authority to pull life support.The county usually has custody but bio parents would have some say. Maybe I should just be quiet until some more info comes out. I hate gossip and will feel bad if I am party to spreading it.
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cherrycreek
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 04:21 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
There's a facebook page for this little girl Prayers for Belle' . (Yes the apostrophe belongs at the end of her name.) A precious little girl is fighting for her life, on life support in a medically induced coma. To be taken off, both parents would have to sign. We need to pray for her...and for her family, that they may come to know God through this.

I know Josh and his parents well. I'm hoping and praying that he didn't do anything......only God and Josh know exactly what happened. I read the court summary. If even a quarter of the story is true, he's in trouble.

Because of being a foster/adoptive family, I have been very closely watching this. I just cannot imagine........my heart aches for everyone involved.
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cretorakline
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 Posted September 29th, 2012 04:32 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
JustMe-dont feel like you need to answer my questions. I know what you mean about not wanting to spread things if you're not entirely sure theyre true. I was just thinking about this today and wondered how this all went.

Years ago a baby died in foster care here in our area. He fell asleep in bed with the foster mom. There was an investigation, of course, but they were cleared. I forget now what he died from-SIDS? Dinah, maybe you remember. Anyway, the foster mom and I were good friends at the time and this just brought back vivid memories of everything over that time.

We will be in prayer...

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cretorakline
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 Posted September 30th, 2012 01:20 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Does anyone know more?
Is she still living? I thought about her through the night.

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Happymussers
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 Posted September 30th, 2012 01:41 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
At church today they said she is off life support.
Things still seem a little unknown, but someone mentioned that while he was bathing her she fell and hit her head. From her abuse in the past it triggered an anurism (sp?)....
word of mouth and the newspaper are so differant in what they say...

I don't know this couple personally at all, but we see them around, at various weddings we've done, and he doesn't seem at ALL like someone who would be prone to anything like this.

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janedi
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 Posted September 30th, 2012 06:18 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
From personal experience, I know that the media can TOTALLY twist a story.
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ewaldro
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 Posted September 30th, 2012 09:35 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
According to police statements, he admitted it. Journalists can twist, but they usually don't just completely make up doctors statements and police reports. Blunt trauma is a pretty obvious injury and looks nothing like meningitis. Whatever the case, they need our prayers. Although It makes me sick to think of someone doing this to a child, people who abuse are often victims themselves. If indeed he did this, then I feel a great deal of sadness for whatever caused him to react like this.
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rachi882
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 Posted September 30th, 2012 10:18 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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Journalists can twist, but they usually don't just completely make up doctors statements and police reports. Blunt trauma is a pretty obvious injury and looks nothing like meningitis.


I was thinking the same thing. The media comes up with crazy stuff but its almost always based on some truth. I just can't see how they could be that far off. And like someone said...if he did even 25% of what they said he is in big trouble. Sadly, I have read stuff like this and worse in the news where it most definitely was true. It's out there...and happens all the time. It's easy to see why the media jumps on stuff like this. So sad to think of all the abuse and trauma that happens to innocent children.


-You are right Elaine about abused people abusing others. It happens not only "out there", but in our circles. It's sad to think that he may have endured some of the same things as a child.


This little girl needs out prayers.

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mammaof5
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 Posted September 30th, 2012 10:49 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I too was VERY concerned when I heard about this. I know the family, grew up in the same church, but this man was a lot younger than me. I was surprised that a couple that young would be given a 1, 2 and 3 year old. Just seems like a lot to handle for such a young couple. My parents are in the same church group as this family, but everything is hush, hush, and it seems like no one wants to say what really happened. I am sure some of that could be because of the charges, and maybe they are not supposed to talk about it, but it does make me question. If he didn't do it, why not just say so? I agree that the whole situation needs prayer, no matter what the truth is.
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mlt102002
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 Posted September 30th, 2012 11:02 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
"What kind of wife would not intervene after seeing things like this??!! It's not normal, it's terrible. There is something wrong with both of them if this is true. "

* * i am NOT saying this as a blanket statement...particularly not passing judgement on this couple with NO idea of what has happened...* *
but,often when a wife does not intervene, it is because she is fearful for herself. abuse causes very sad things to happen. in cases of domestic violence, the "normal" responses are gone.

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ewaldro
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 Posted October 1st, 2012 07:02 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Fox News story

Just in case anyone wants a link.

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Jenn
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"What kind of wife would not intervene after seeing things like this??!! It's not normal, it's terrible. There is something wrong with both of them if this is true. "

* * i am NOT saying this as a blanket statement...particularly not passing judgement on this couple with NO idea of what has happened...* *
but,often when a wife does not intervene, it is because she is fearful for herself. abuse causes very sad things to happen. in cases of domestic violence, the "normal" responses are gone.

that's exactly what I was thinking. Also, when you see someone in your family acting that way, you don't want to think anything is wrongl. You make up reasons why it could be normal.

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ewaldro
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 Posted October 1st, 2012 01:30 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Cherrycreek, where did you find the court summary?
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cretorakline
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 Posted October 1st, 2012 01:37 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Elaine, from a medical perspective, could any of the little girls problems be a delayed result of physical abuse from prior homes? If they only had her a month, and what if she slipped In the tub and hit her head...I keep trying to think of any possible scenerios which would leave josh and marla innocent.
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mammaof5
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 Posted October 1st, 2012 02:23 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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Josh was charged with child abuse and put in prison (he is now out on bail) the child had bleeding on her brain and bruising.



Don't know that this is a big deal, but from what I understand he is not out on bail, but is still in jail.

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ewaldro
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Cretora, unfortunately, medical people can tell pretty easily if a bruise or other injury is old or recent. Also, they can tell if an injury is consistent with the story that was told, in other words, the location of the bruises lines up with the story. Not to say that they are perfect.

I am somewhat tired of the Mennonite bias and fear of CPS. They have a terribly difficult job, and get blamed when stuff like this happens. They have to separate out the loving people from abusers and know that they are responsible for the well-being of young children. When you are a professional responsible for children, anything you overlook can cause you a lot of anguish later. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the hard job social workers have. And if there are occasionally over-zealous ones, it's usually because there has been a situation where a child was harmed in some way and they feel responsible for it. Cherrycreek, please tell me if I'm wrong on this.

And maybe I'm coming from a bias because our church has a rehab and we are a lot "closer" to knowing more of the stuff that goes on in Mennonite homes that no one ever finds out about. And it feels like it's magnified in Mennonite homes because there is the whole submission thing.

Please, I'm not saying that this man did this, I just know too much about what can happen. I understand that the family/church friends would be in terrible shock, and they need our prayers in a major way right now, whatever happened.
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rachi882
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I am somewhat tired of the Mennonite bias and fear of CPS. They have a terribly difficult job, and get blamed when stuff like this happens. They have to separate out the loving people from abusers and know that they are responsible for the well-being of young children. When you are a professional responsible for children, anything you overlook can cause you a lot of anguish later. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the hard job social workers have. And if there are occasionally over-zealous ones, it's usually because there has been a situation where a child was harmed in some way and they feel responsible for it. Cherrycreek, please tell me if I'm wrong on this. I just know what an awful weight on my husband's mind it was when a baby who came to their clinic died from traumatic brain injuries as a result of abuse.

And maybe I'm coming from a bias because our church has a rehab and we are a lot "closer" to knowing more of the stuff that goes on in Mennonite homes that no one ever finds out about. And it feels like it's magnified in Mennonite homes because there is the whole submission thing.



You said it well. I am glad there are agencies out there to protect the hundreds and thousands of women/children etc... We NEED them. And yes it happens to Anabaptist people. I KNOW of horrible things that happened in my extended family, years ago that would SHOCK people, if they knew. And I am sure you are right that the whole submission thing makes it harder for Mennonite/Amish women. It's the ABUSE of power/ distortion of what submission really means....

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cretorakline
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yeah, Elaine you are right. I don't personally know of any spousal abuse, but I do know about children getting horrific spankings. It does happen.
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And I know the media doesn't always get the story right. But at the same time, I thought this reporter was actually trying not to sensationalize. None of the news stories themselves mentioned him being Mennonite, which I really appreciated and which a reporter could have easily discovered and made a big deal out of.

ETA--I don't think I should be reading anymore of this story. I can't believe some of the hateful comments that are directed at this poor guy. If he did this, it was a terrible thing, but no one is outside of God's love and forgiveness no matter what they do!! I think I will go read something good and try to clear my mind before bed.
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cherrycreek
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update on Belle



   
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ETA--I don't think I should be reading anymore of this story. I can't believe some of the hateful comments that are directed at this poor guy. If he did this, it was a terrible thing, but no one is outside of God's love and forgiveness no matter what they do!! I think I will go read something good and try to clear my mind before bed.
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Absolutely!

I quit reading the comments on the news articles, too.

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cherrycreek
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I agree the comments having been making me cringe. I have had to remember that many of the people commenting are not Christians. It also does no good to have Christians quote Bible verses in response to them. At least people seem to care about a hurting little girl in a world that can appear like there's little compassion for children and more compassion for animals, at times. On the other hand, how do I react to a similar story when I do not know the alleged abuser??

Ewaldro, the court dockets just list the actual charges...such as aggravated assault and how many counts. He's charged with several felonies and a misdemeanor. Even if the felonies are dropped, he's still in trouble.

Many state foster agencies are run fairly good. Some are really bad in which the welfare of the children come dead last while the rights of the birth parents are trump. We've had really good caseworkers with our cases and some not so good. We were fortunate to have the ones who just saw it as a job released. Good caseworkers wear out as it is a thankless job...mad birth family often in denial, judges who sometimes don't care, other people involved in the cases (GAL, CASA) let their agendas get in the way. It's a very stressful job. The laws do need to be overhauled to better protect the children such as not being moved so often, birth parents not being able to stall the cases, etc etc.

On Mennonite abuses - I have too many friends and relatives who have been victims of spousal abuse, physical abuse of children and sexual abuse. I cannot imagine how many are out there that no one knows anything about. I am glad to see more of it being turned over to the police. That has to happen since I've seen too many families suffering in silence because the abuser knows nothing will be done. It is a generational sin that has been covered up for too long in the Mennonite/Amish churches.

Those of you who have foster/adoptive friends, pray for them, offer to babysit a night or take a meal. It can be a hard, difficult job. Children as young as 2 have behaviours that simply boggle your mind. Trauma, violence, neglect, domestic violence & not wanted while in utero, drugs and alcohol damage these children terribly. When you add in visits during foster care and moving from home to home, the wounds can go deeper and deeper. You can have all the training available but when you're living with those behaviours 24/7, it can be very overwhelming and stressful. My heart really aches for Josh. If these charges are true, was he in over his head and stressed? It is a high possibility.

Two of our 3 children have deep wounds that affect everyday life. PTSD, anxiety and explosive anger is a daily thing in our home. (Example - Our 4 year old son has to sleep on a platform against our bed and medicated at night so he doesn't wake up screaming for an hour at a time several times through the night from his exposure to domestic violence in utero and no attachment to anyone the first month of life. Therapy is helping...at a slow pace.) I know that God can heal those wounds and that He does....in His timing. I sometimes cry as I watch my children try so hard to deal with the pain but cannot get past it. Why do children have to suffer so many consequences from decisions and choices that they had nothing to do with in the first place???????

God has blessed me with a woman from town who brings meals at least once a month, several friends from church who I can talk to about the issues that our children face and not feel judged that I am weary, physically and emotionally, friends who also pray for us and adult children who will take our 4 year old for a night occasionally so hubby and I have some alone time and are able to sleep all night.





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