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 Posted February 1st, 2012 06:27 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Ok, so I'm not sure where to put this, but since it has to do with homeschooling for us, I decided maybe here would be best, altho even if you aren't homeschooling, feel free to make comments.
Here's the issue: We do on-line streaming thro Abeka, so every morning in Bible class they start out with the Pledge of Allegience and a patriotic song. We let it fly for awhile, but recently my dad told me that his parents never allowed them to say it altho he went to the public school. It made me stop and think, and so for about a wk. now I've been keeping the volume on the computer off til they're done with the pledge and song. Now today, they had a patriotic song in history, too, and the teacher really emphasized that we are PROUD of our country. So my question is: even with that kind of talk coming from his 'teacher', how do we instill in my son a healthy respect for his country and yet let him know that the emphasis needs to be # 1 on God? Any ideas?
Also when we are at a public place and the Pledge is said or some kind of patriotic thing goes on, what do you do? Do you help? If the crowd is asked to stand, do you stand? I'm just curious what you all would say the proper response is, as a Christian.

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 Posted February 1st, 2012 11:41 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
So nobody wants to touch this subject? I know there was a discussion somewhere about patriotism. But I don't know where or how to find it. It might be interesting to read again.
I'm glad you brought this up. We're using A Beka this year and we're absolutely loving our History. We enjoyed both the second grade and third grade books. And I can see the pride of our country theme coming out quite a bit. But so far it's been good. I feel bad that as he advances in History he will see how badly our country has gone down hill. One lady who taught school for many years told me that we should use these types of things as teaching moments to bring in why and what we believe about war and such. Personally, I don't have a problem with my child learning about what our country was founded on and being thankful for his country and his freedoms here. I have been glad for the opportunity to teach him what we believe about separation of church and state.
As far as when we're in a public place and the anthem is being sung and the men take off their hats and we all stand....to me that is being respectful and using our social properness! As far as pledging allegience, I've never been faced with it. I would like my child to know about it and what my parents had to do as kids by NOT pledging.
I was considering the online thing with A Beka but now maybe not so much! Thanks for bringing up this subject...I'd love to hear more!
   
floridabreze
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 Posted February 2nd, 2012 10:29 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Personally for myself, if I am in public when they Pledge Allegiance, I participate. I think it is rude not to! Even if you don't say it, but at least stand. {and men take off hats}
I also think there is nothing wrong with our kids learning the pledge, it's a part of history. But then on the other hand, we teach our kids that allegiance to God comes first. I know this can be touchy and a fine line, so this is just my humble opinion!

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 Posted February 3rd, 2012 09:00 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I don't homeschool but I do agree with what Twila said. It really bothers me when i'm somewhere & they are saying the Pledge of Allegiance & people (mostly mennonites) stay seated. A lot of the people there have either fought for our country or have family members that have/are & some have died. To them it is a great offense that we don't have enough respect to even stand. I would definately say it's a good teaching moment. If it wasn't for those people that have fought/are fighting, we wouldn't have the freedoms we do today. Don't take me wrong, I believe that our allegiance to God is over all but we do need to be respectful to those around us.
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 Posted February 3rd, 2012 09:48 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Agree with Natalie and Twila. That's all I'll say.
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rallyjan
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 Posted February 3rd, 2012 10:18 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I agree with at least standing up, as a sign of respect. True, if some of the people hadn't fought for the rest of us, even many years ago, what freedom of expression would we have today? We seek a better city to come, but we should also be supportive citizens of the country we live in.
As for Mary Jane's original question, I'd probably explain to my child that our first responsibilty is to God, and our second is to our country, or the people around us. And perhaps skip or turn down the volume until that part is past.
We've had some explaining to do already as to why Mennonites aren't policemen, etc. and we tell Z that God has ordained that there are people who need to enforce the laws of the land and to protect the rest of us. Same way with the military. If there were no evil, we wouldn't need law enforcement. But since there is, we need to respect those in authority, even if they do things that we don't approve of.
We've had different experiences with our local law enforcement already, and I have a very high respect for them. When you have a murder and suicide happen in our own neighborhood, by a neighbor that you've know for years, a person can't help but be thankful that there are people who are trained to protect us. Some of us have also had to deal with break-ins of a business at night.
And you ever would be in another country and something would happen, guess who would come to rescue you if you are an American citizen. Too many people don't stop to think about those things.

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Jarby
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 Posted February 3rd, 2012 04:20 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
As far as saying the Pledge - I did it for 4 years in public school as a child, because that was what was expected and I wasn't taught not to. So, I have it memorized and now I know what it means, even tho back then I didn't!
As a grown up now, I'd have a problem with saying the Pledge, as to me it would feel like I am lying (I do not pledge my allegiance to this country, I will not defend her at all cost, etc.). That being said, I think it is fitting to show respect, and to stand and remove hats, etc. I agree, to stay seated seems disrespectful.

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 Posted February 3rd, 2012 04:24 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I think I found that other thread, if I know how to link it. http://s3.excoboard.com/themomboard/14631/744484
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radicallyfree
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 Posted February 4th, 2012 12:57 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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floridabreze wrote:
Personally for myself, if I am in public when they Pledge Allegiance, I participate. I think it is rude not to! Even if you don't say it, but at least stand. {and men take off hats}
I also think there is nothing wrong with our kids learning the pledge, it's a part of history. But then on the other hand, we teach our kids that allegiance to God comes first. I know this can be touchy and a fine line, so this is just my humble opinion!


Well said. I quite agree. Adrian also does the Abeka academy and I have a real problem if he isn't respectful during the pledge.

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Jarby
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 Posted February 6th, 2012 02:30 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
It could actually be an excellent teaching opportunity for your child. Search it out and think it thru how you would believe Jesus would have you do as far as pledging your allegiance to the country you live in. Then if you feel that is fitting and godly, by all means, say it with them! Otherwise, if you feel like it is not pleasing to God, then teach them WHY you don't say it, and to NOT be ashamed of being different, along with being able to show respect to people who view these things differently.
Of course, experiencing this on a computer is a bit different than in person. :-)

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