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Beckner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 03:30 PM   IP              
Preach on, Brother Ian. I hear ya, loud and clear.

PS you left out the name of the Cinerama movie.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 03:32 PM   IP              
Ah, sorry it was 2001.
   
Beckner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 03:36 PM   IP              
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IanWagner wrote:
Ah, sorry it was 2001.




Thankee. I was thinking of this when I typed "Preach On Brother Ian."
   
IanWagner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 03:41 PM   IP              
Hah! That's on Blu-Ray!
*and Soylent Green will be soon as well*

   
Beckner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 03:43 PM   IP              
Yeah, I KNOW. So much for those DVDs being such a great deal a year and a half ago when I bought 'em. Now I have swank drink coasters!

I keep resisting "Logan's Run" since it's somehow in stock AT WALMART for 10 bucks on Blu Ray... but I know I will cave on that and "Flash Gordon" eventually.
   
Beckner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 03:45 PM   IP              
I think I NEED "Carrie" on Blu Ray.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 03:51 PM   IP              
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Beckner wrote:
I think I NEED "Carrie" on Blu Ray.


Oh, hell yeah. I've only seen that at Best Buy and I didn't have the cash at the time, but I'm definitely getting it ASAP.
Agree on Logan's Run and even Flash Gordon.

   
Beckner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 03:53 PM   IP              
Best Buy is the WORST.
   
halleluwah
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 03:57 PM   IP              
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IanWagner wrote:
All the folks delivering "it is THIS way" pronunciations are both correct and incorrect.
Thing is, that the reason the music (aside from concert/gigs, a separate thing) and cinematic experiences cannot be compared is that the cinematic experience is much more experiential and dimensional, because of the attention it requires. This span of attention takes into consideration the context of viewing.
And in that experience, there are no absolutes, because any viewing can be the greatest or worst of experiences, even if they are presented in the same exact way.
Put it this way: there are a lot of film fans here. Among you, take five of your favourite films. Now, if you thought about the most memorable and pleasurable viewings of those films, how many would involve the "best" and "clearest", the one closest to the "filmmaker's intentions", of presentations? I'll bet, not many.
Here's two examples of mine:
First time I viewed was, I kid you not, on a 6-inch black-and-white portable TV set, pan-and-scan, with commercials. I'll tell you what, it blew my mind totally. And I understood all of the ideas and concepts of the film, because I was not distracted by the incredible colour-Cinerama context of the original film. I got a straight shot of ideas. Though I have seen the movie many times since in uniformly "better" settings, at the Cinerama Dome several times for instance, my mind was prepared for those experiences by seeing the film the "wrong" way first.
Another one is Two-Lane Blacktop. I have seen that film many different ways, on bootleg VHS, official VHS, two different DVD releases, in repertory houses, at the Cinematheque with frickin' MONTE HELLMAN sitting right beside me.
But the BEST time I saw it was the first, at 1 A.M. on LA's channel 5, on a Sunday night/Monday morning. I had read about the film years before in the Cult Movies book, so I was primed for it. The film was obviously cropped, with long commercial breaks full of car dealers screaming their latest bargains. But, man, when that final frame burn-up happened, at 3:30 AM, in that somewhat slightly dazed pre-sleep state I was in, my life, my conceptions of what art could express and achieve, were totally altered, exploded, burned, and with both legs on the couch. That film will never again have that effect on me.
On the other hand, I have seen films utterly trashed by television editing and presentation.
Same differential holds true for all other forms of presentation.
I don't hold with the theory that theatrical presentation is the only "valid" for of film viewing. I have seen the most beautiful films, presented beautifully, in a large cinema with a great print and correct projector-bulb wattage (the most crucial and potentially damaging variance in theatrical presentation, by the way) be utterly destroyed by the moron sitting behind me, or more importantly, by not being in the proper mood.
I've had some of the worst and best film experiences with all the forms of presentation, TV, cinema, VHS, laserdisc, DVD, Blu-Ray (I'm new to the last media, but I just watched The Godfather series, just because I bought them on BD, and the films didn't even affect me this time-I should have waited). There are no rules to it. Certain films, I didn't enjoy at all in the theater, but in the more intimate video format, they suddenly became brilliant (Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas and Eyes Wide Shut are two examples).
A lot of it is what one is used to. Now, I am so spoiled in my conception of home presentation that I will not watch ANY film not presented in the original aspect ratio, I am horrified at the idea of watching any film with commercials. After seeing Blu-Ray, even DVD looks poorly defined and fuzzy.
And the thing is, if Joe had a Blu-Ray player and got into that, he wouldn't be able to return to VHS or DVD afterward. His way of seeing things would change. But because he is accustomed to VHS and approaching it without prejudice, his film experiences are on the same level as any "quality" presentation. Just as we older folks watched films on television and had some of the best film-watching experiences doing so.
For me, because I have seen Apocalypse Now so many times, I mean SO MANY TIMES, well over a hundred by this point, the only way I can glean anything new from the film is through presentation improvements, sadly. So in those instances, my discussion will center on those technical aspects.
But my film-watching SOUL is still in the grindhouses and scratchy-print second-run houses me and my parents frequented when I was a kid, and in the late-night TV film festivals, as well as memorably magnificent "perfect" theatrical presentations of first-run films I have had the fortune to witness, such as Blade Runner, Apocalyse Now, Goodfellas, There Will Be Blood, etc. And my heart is also with the experiences I have now, showing Becky a world of films she hasn't seen yet.
Basically, it is really about the experience of the film, not about the "wrong" or "right" presentation. That said, once you go forward, you can't go back in home video formats. And staying behind cannot be compared to going forward.


Hell of a post.

Sometimes, whatever you have available is good enough, and in those situations, you make it work for you. I recently watched the 4 1/2 hour workprint version of Spinal Tap (thanks again!), which is of course sourced from a bootleg-quality video. It's murky as hell looking, but it doesn't really matter, since it's the only quality you're going to find it in, and seeing it like that still trumps the hell out of not seeing it at all. And the quality didn't hamper my enjoyment of the film at all. After a while when you're watching it, you don't even notice the quality anymore. I think if any of us were somehow stuck on a desert island with only a VHS player and some tapes, we'd be able to make do just fine (provided we, you know, had electricity...shut up; it's my scenario). It's the work itself that is after all most important. That said, if you have access to a better way of viewing it, and the difference is pretty great, why not do it, you know? There's no point in INTENTIONALLY watching versions of inferior quality if you have a choice in the matter.

My first time seeing 2001 was hilarious, by the way...my Dad set our VCR to tape it on a timer when it was being shown at about 2:00 in the morning. This was probably in 1987 or so, when we first got a VCR. Anyway, it was local TV, pan-and-scan, with extraordinarily washed-out colors (in the scene where Floyd's talking to the creepy Russian scientist on the space station, you literally can't see the white room at all; it just looks like the fuzzy red chairs are sort of floating in the middle of nothing). But what was most hilarious is that they didn't even bother to tailor the commercial breaks to the film at all; they just had it on a timer, like every 20 minutes, no matter where it is in the film, you get some late-night mini-infomercial type of ad. So there are all these breaks in truly hilariously awful places, like "Open the pod bay doors, HAL!" "Dave, I'm afraid I--" "Hi, I'm baseball star George Brett, and I'd like to talk to you for a moment about the Make a Wish Foundation!" There are Ginsu knife ads and Righteous Brothers not-found-in-stores compilation record ads, shown without warning in the middle of really tense, cerebral scenes. I'm sure Kubrick had nightmares about his film being presented to the public in such a horrible way. But you know, I loved it, and in a weird way, the unpredictable, schizophrenic commercial breaks and barely-there picture quality actually aided in the feeling of off-kilter disquiet I got from watching that film. It's an astoundingly weird experience. Actually, I kind of do want to go back to my parents' house and watch that tape again, just for the bizarro factor.

But yeah, all other things being equal, if I have the opportunity to watch a film in better quality, I will, but if I don't, it's not going to keep me from watching the film. I actually watched something on VHS just last night. If I can upgrade that film to a better format, I will, but it's not going to keep me up at night.

I'MCOMINGI'MCOMINGI'MCOMINGI'MCOMING
   
IanWagner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 04:02 PM   IP              
Quote:
halleluwah wrote:
shut up; it's my scenario


That's my favourite Supertramp album.
Helluva post yrself, Senor. I love that 2001 story.

   
andy rooney
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 04:05 PM   IP              
Quote:
IanWagner wrote:
All the folks delivering "it is THIS way" pronunciations are both correct and incorrect.



i think there are very few times this statement is ever incorrect. if ever.

sexy dragon magic.
   
Beckner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 04:06 PM   IP              
Hell, the first time I saw "The Shining" (and many times after too) was on television... with vaseline or something obscuring the rotting old lady's "dirty pillows" and missing well, just about everything.
   
halleluwah
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 04:07 PM   IP              
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IanWagner wrote:


That's my favourite Supertramp album.



You've got a bloody right to say.

I'MCOMINGI'MCOMINGI'MCOMINGI'MCOMING
   
IanWagner
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 04:24 PM   IP              
Quote:
andy rooney wrote:



i think there are very few times this statement is ever incorrect. if ever.


I was going to yell at you for this, but I was intimidated by the illusion of yr Beefheart avatar saying it. I ain't gonna dis'gree with him.

   
andy rooney
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 Posted January 28th, 2011 04:41 PM   IP              
i'll pretend i'm the little girl in your avatar.

yell the truth with no fear!

in space no one can hear you yell.

i wouldn't mind seeing alien in bluray.

sexy dragon magic.
   
Matinee Idyll (129)
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 Posted January 29th, 2011 08:17 AM   IP              
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IanWagner wrote:
Put it this way: there are a lot of film fans here. Among you, take five of your favourite films. Now, if you thought about the most memorable and pleasurable viewings of those films, how many would involve the "best" and "clearest", the one closest to the "filmmaker's intentions", of presentations? I'll bet, not many.


Days of Heaven, midday movie, first viewing. Height of my Malick obsession, stayed home from school to tune in. Taped it, trying to cut out the advertisements - subsequently, shots I see on the DVD version (particularly the scarecrow) seem unfamiliar to me because I wasn't quick enough with the record button on that first viewing.

Still, it blew my little mind - and when I get a Bluray player, it'll be the first I buy.

Picnic at Hanging Rock. I was in the city, exhausted, with little to do, so thought I'd stop into the Australian Centre for the Moving Image and catch a screening of Picnic. I recall being gutted that they were using a DVD projection, but I'd paid to get in and it's my favourite homegrown film. I underestimated how tired I was, and inspite of my best efforts I fell asleep as the girls started their eventful trek up the rock.

For the next hour and a half every hallucinatory, frightening moment was magnified tenfold as I drifted in and out of consciousness, only partially aware of what was unfolding before me. The film truly became the dream within a dream. This happened during the Kinski version of Nosferatu too, some films were made for only half-seeing...

Killer post Ian, you killed it.
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alan
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 Posted January 29th, 2011 09:07 PM   IP              
Thing is, its like actually seeing the film the director handed in for the first time as they intended. Before we've seen half the film, or a smudgy copy. Now you realise how much detail there is in film. It's sumptuous. Just watching Bullitt on telly in HD and it seems so fresh and new. It makes you want to watch things again to get the most out of them. It doesn't invalidate my years of watching things on a tiny b & w or a grainy bootleg video but it feels like someone just gave the lens a good wipe!
   
Beckner
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 Posted February 6th, 2011 02:16 PM   IP              
I gotta say, I feel ever so slightly ripped off by the Apocalypse Now set, since it's not like the documentary was remotely in actual HD, nor did they bother to reformat the thing into an improved aspect ratio. (I doubt this is possible for the whole thing, but the scenes from the movie shouldn't have been letterboxed like that. That's an easy fix. Stupid.) Especially since the 2 disc set was on sale at the much reviled Best Buy for 9.99 this past week.

So, basically, buyer beware.... if there's anyone here who still needs/ wants to get it, I'm of the opinion that you'd be better off buying "Hearts of Darkness" on DVD separately.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted February 6th, 2011 04:50 PM   IP              
Actually. Hearts is in HD on that set. I don't know what you mean on the aspect ratio.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted February 6th, 2011 04:56 PM   IP              
And also, the packaging and book, whch aren't included with the two disc, are quite lovely. I personally prefer more than just discs thrown in a little box.
   
Jeff Mason
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 Posted February 6th, 2011 10:36 PM   IP              
But that IS a common problem, though, with Blu Ray to this point -- extras are not done in HD, and in those cases, the extras actually end up looking better on DVD since the Blu Ray won't upscale something in Blu Ray format like it will DVD. I would assume that will eventually fade as a problem, but meanwhile it means you may need both versions on occasion....
   
IanWagner
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 Posted February 6th, 2011 10:43 PM   IP              
I'm fine with that, myself. My problem is that a few Blu-Rays don't even have the DVD extras. The thing, for instance, which only has the commentary. The documentaries, etc, all are missing. So that one, I have to keep in both formats.
   
Beckner
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 Posted February 6th, 2011 11:45 PM   IP              
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IanWagner wrote:
Actually. Hearts is in HD on that set. I don't know what you mean on the aspect ratio.


The "Hearts of Darkness" documentary is in 4:3 standard TV ratio, including all movie footage. Which means, those scenes appear not only with black bars on both sides, but top and bottom.

I'd guess that all of the interview footage was done to videotape and then transferred to film when assembled as a theatrical picture. So yeah essentially, it's a Blu Ray of video, not film.

But you're right, the book is pretty nice, though since I'm already bitching the outer box should be thicker cardstock.
   
Beckner
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 Posted February 12th, 2011 10:52 PM   IP              
Has anyone seen the Criterion "Night of the Hunter"? Now in widescreen!
   
Robster Lobster
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 Posted February 12th, 2011 11:00 PM   IP              
I watched this last night - Charles Laughton, director of Night Of The Hunter...


Georgie likes ducks!

   
IanWagner
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 Posted February 12th, 2011 11:02 PM   IP              
I've seen the DVD, not the BD yet. I want it, though.

Ones I picked up this month:
Boogie Nights (biggest DVD-to-BD improvement ever, maybe the most impressive BD I have seen, literally stunning quality)
Eyes Wide Shut
Goodfellas
Inglourious Basterds
The Wild Bunch
The Getaway
The Thing
Sleeping Beauty
Carrie
True Romance
Alice In Wonderland
Logan's Run
Halloween
Kill Bill Vol. 2

   
IanWagner
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 Posted February 12th, 2011 11:03 PM   IP              
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Robster Lobster wrote:
I watched this last night - Charles Laughton, director of Night Of The Hunter...




Love that film.

   
Robster Lobster
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 Posted February 12th, 2011 11:07 PM   IP              
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IanWagner wrote:


Love that film.

Yeah - my first time - but i love it now!

Part of the W.C. Field boxset - awesome entertainer and star!

Georgie likes ducks!

   
Beckner
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 Posted February 12th, 2011 11:31 PM   IP              
Know what I want on Blu Ray? "American Graffiti." Screw that Star Wars stuff, gimme "American Graffiti."
   
Robster Lobster
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 Posted February 12th, 2011 11:46 PM   IP              
American Graffiti only has Ron Howard - it doesn't have any muppets.
Georgie likes ducks!

   



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