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Best SIngles Of 1986 FINALS
Bizarre Love Triangle - New Order 17% [4/24]
Don't Dream It's Over - Crowded House 8% [2/24]
Don't Give Up - Peter Gabriel w-Kate Bush 0% [0/24]
Live To Tell - Madonna 8% [2/24]
Master Of Puppets - Metallica 13% [3/24]
Papa Don't Preach - Madonna 25% [6/24]
Push It - Salt-n-Pepa 4% [1/24]
Suburbia - Pet Shop Boys 13% [3/24]
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out - The Smiths 13% [3/24]
When I Think Of You - Janet Jackson 0% [0/24]


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.:1986 Singles Poll FINALS - PLEASE VOTE!:.
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IanWagner
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 Posted June 14th, 2011 10:03 PM   IP              
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the captain wrote:
OK, there is no way I would have guessed at the beginning of this one, but I voted for Papa Don't Preach and the runner-up would have been Master of Puppets. If, off the top of my head, I'd told you my favorite songs from '86, I doubt either would have been rattled off. They both just sound great to me now with fresh ears.


That's a surprise to me! Your willingness to rethink your positions on things is a definite inspiration to me. Thanks for participating, man. Stick around for the next one.

   
artie
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 Posted June 14th, 2011 11:59 PM   IP              
In a tough one, I'm taking Live To Tell over Papa and Crowded House.

Her vocal was truly stellar on it, and while of course the rest of True Blue is amazing, Live To Tell still hits an emotional chord and I find in the end that some of the most prolific and touching moments in my life seem to have been accompanied by Madge's balladry.

"This one...is this one"
   
Matinee Idyll (129)
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 03:14 AM   IP              
Papa... Light... Papa... Light.

Oh fuck it, Smiths, Madge'll take it anyway. Plus, There Is A Light was the first Smiths cut I ever heard (covered by Neil Finn and Johnny Marr, funnily enough) - and it's got that effect on me.

I hope we can all agree that 1986 fucking rocked. Nine distinct, wonderful artists in the finals. Thanks for getting it up and running again Ian!

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Matinee Idyll (129)
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 04:41 AM   IP              
Now onto 1968... I can't even begin to begin thinking about where to begin. Mind's a mess - when do I need to get things to you Ian?
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Matinee Idyll (129)
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 06:13 AM   IP              
JUST A-Sides, right? Doesn’t seem to have been a bumper year for local stuff (the best garage stuff was 65-67, and we were a big late catching onto psychedelia in single format). I’m guessing you’ve taken care of all the Motown and American soul country and psych I would request, and hopefully you’ve got all the essential English stuff (Kinks, Zombies, Small Faces – by the way, I hope THE UNIVERSAL wins single of the year for some reason) So, whole grab bag here of locals, Swedish, French, Mexican, Brazilian, Czechoslovakia... I imagine you've got 400 polls worth of stuff already, so let me know what if any you’d like me to send over!

OH SHIT! Nearly forgot DONOVAN! Atlantis, Hurdy Gurdy Man, Jennifer Juniper and especially Lalena please Ian!

A Minha Menina – Os Mutantes
Age of Consent – Ronnie Burns
Baron Saturday – The Pretty Things
Bonnie and Clyde – Serge Gainsbourg & Brigette Bardot
Blackberry Way – The Move
Brigette – The Masters Apprentices
Changing The Colors of Life – Los Chijuas
Comment Te Dire Adieu – Francois Hardy
É Proibido Proibir – Caetano Veloso
End of the Road – The Idle Race
Fire Brigade – The Move
Get Down From The Tree – The Matadors
Good Times – The Easybeats
Gotta Stop Lying – The Wild Cherries
Happy Without You – The Strangers
Hello I Love You – The Easybeats
Hold On – Sharon Tandy
I Read You Like An Open Book – The Tages
Il Est Cinq Heures, Paris S'Éveille – Jacques Dutronc
I’m The Urban Spaceman – The Bonzo Dog Band
L’Anamour – Serge Gainsbourg
Land of Make Believe – The Easybeats
Listen to Me – The Hollies
Love Machine – Pastoral Symphony
Love, Hate, Revenge – The Avengers
Path Through The Forest - Factory
Postcard – Blossom Toes
Private Sorrow – The Pretty Things
Remains to be Seen – Steve & Stevie
Talkin’ About The Good Times – The Pretty Things
The Skeleton and the Roundabout – The Idle Race
Time Will Come – Tol Puddle Martyrs
Upstairs, Downstairs – Graham Gouldman
You Better Get Going Now - Zoot
(Edited by Matinee Idyll (129))
(Edited by Matinee Idyll (129))

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MoogDroog
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 06:22 AM   IP              
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Matinee Idyll (129) wrote:


A Minha Menina – Os Mutantes
Bonnie and Clyde – Serge Gainsbourg & Brigette Bardot
É Proibido Proibir – Caetano Veloso
Good Times – The Easybeats





FUCK yeah, especially Good Times.

"The other thing is that the quality of the mp3's I listen to varies especially as some of the music from the likes of Led Zeppelin is old, even with re-mastering still isnt up to the quality of the likes of Def Leppard."
   
MoogDroog
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 06:24 AM   IP              
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Matinee Idyll (129) wrote:

Hello I Love You – The Easybeats



*Hello HOW ARE You

"The other thing is that the quality of the mp3's I listen to varies especially as some of the music from the likes of Led Zeppelin is old, even with re-mastering still isnt up to the quality of the likes of Def Leppard."
   
Matinee Idyll (129)
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 06:35 AM   IP              
Oops, I'm tired man! Just spent the last three hours crosschecking all those damn tunes against different discography sites and then I get something like that wrong. I'm so sad! Hehe.

It's odd though, I really don't think in terms of individual years when it comes to music. Y'know, it's always 'late-60's', 'mid-80's'... so this is really difficult trying to remember all the music I love and have any idea what year it even came out.

LEE HAZELWOOD! We got any Lee and Nancy in there, Ian? My head hurts. Where's my water?

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Matinee Idyll (129)
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 07:30 AM   IP              
TURTLES! TOMMY JAMES SHONDELLS DO SOMETHING TO ME!
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Matinee Idyll (129)
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 07:45 AM   IP              
LETYOURSELFGO! LITTLELESSCONVERSATION! IFICANDREAM!!!!!!!!
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IanWagner
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 11:11 AM   IP              
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Matinee Idyll (129) wrote:
Thanks for getting it up and running again Ian!


That's what she said!

   
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 12:28 PM   IP              
white light/white heat - the velvet underground
any way the wind blows - ruben and the jets
motherly love - mothers of invention

sexy dragon magic.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 03:10 PM   IP              
I gotta remind everyone that, sadly, only fairly non-obscure material will be in the 1968 polls, otherwise, it would just be too ridiculously extensive. I can think of about a billion amazing, obscure soul records from that year that should be heard, but I won't be including any of them. If anyone wants to put together a few collections of more obscure 1968 material, so those interested can hear that stuff, that would definitely be a worthy outing, and I could contribute. But the polls themselves have to remain comprehensible.
   
Matinee Idyll (129)
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 05:34 PM   IP              
Ahh cool, will cull and send some stuff over.
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IanWagner
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 Posted June 15th, 2011 07:48 PM   IP              
Actually, at the moment I'm considering scrapping the 1968 poll.
   
Matinee Idyll (129)
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 02:11 AM   IP              
And I wouldn't object the decision! It's too time consuming, and we don't need more reasons to keep listening to 1960's music. We know it's great, let's find out why 1987 and 2001 didn't suck as much as we thought. Much more to discover out there than picking over the same damn tunes again.

Personally, I'd be much, much more into 50's polls (start in what, '54?) than 60's.

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MoogDroog
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 06:19 AM   IP              
50s would be great. I've just started listening to a huge set of the complete Sun singles and there are some awesome things there i'd never heard before (early Rufus Thomas!)

That said, i heard a ton of amazing stuff that was new to me in the '69 polls and i'm sure '68 would be an eye-opener too

I'm not sure about 2001 polls as the 2000 ones were such a waste of time. If i did '01, i'd probably limit it to around 100 tracks but that sort of defeats the object which, for me, is getting people into loads of new stuff. If there interest isn't there, it isn't worth it though. But we'll see!


(you could even do a quick poll to see if people want 54, 68, 87, 01 or whatver?)
(Edited by MoogDroog)

"The other thing is that the quality of the mp3's I listen to varies especially as some of the music from the likes of Led Zeppelin is old, even with re-mastering still isnt up to the quality of the likes of Def Leppard."
   
MoogDroog
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 06:48 AM   IP              
I voted Papa Don't Preach, btw
"The other thing is that the quality of the mp3's I listen to varies especially as some of the music from the likes of Led Zeppelin is old, even with re-mastering still isnt up to the quality of the likes of Def Leppard."
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 11:09 AM   IP              
Papa Don't Preach is the winner.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 11:35 AM   IP              
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Matinee Idyll (129) wrote:
And I wouldn't object the decision! It's too time consuming, and we don't need more reasons to keep listening to 1960's music. We know it's great, let's find out why 1987 and 2001 didn't suck as much as we thought. Much more to discover out there than picking over the same damn tunes again.


I dunno, I think things have been slightly twisted the other way, and there isn't enough detailed, quality discussion on 60's music any more. There is just talk about whatever reissue is coming out.

   
Jon
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 12:34 PM   IP              
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I dunno, I think things have been slightly twisted the other way, and there isn't enough detailed, quality discussion on 60's music any more. There is just talk about whatever reissue is coming out.


Yeah, I wouldn't mind going back to the 60s for a little while. My music listening has been in the 80s for a while now -- I wouldn't mind an excuse to listen to some 1968 in a different context. Especially if there's stuff in there that I haven't heard, as I'm sure there will be.


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Chris D.
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 12:35 PM   IP              
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Matinee Idyll (129) wrote:
And I wouldn't object the decision! It's too time consuming, and we don't need more reasons to keep listening to 1960's music. We know it's great, let's find out why 1987 and 2001 didn't suck as much as we thought. Much more to discover out there than picking over the same damn tunes again.


Pretty much. I'm more interested in the rest of the 80s and the 90s, for the time being. However...

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I dunno, I think things have been slightly twisted the other way, and there isn't enough detailed, quality discussion on 60's music any more. There is just talk about whatever reissue is coming out.


There's some truth to this too. The problem is it's considered a given that almost anything 60s is good, so no one's critical. And by critical I mean analytical. We could certainly do awesome 60s polls, but I think it would take special effort to say something new. That's hard to do while you rotate with other polls. I'd be in for a 60s series after we cover other, more recent years.

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IanWagner
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 01:12 PM   IP              
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That's hard to do while you rotate with other polls.


That is why it is being done the way it is, though. I'm only interested in doing things the hard way (just one of many things I have learned from the career of Chuck Norris, PhD).
The point is for folks to consider 1968 and 1986 as being simply years of music, disassociated from their "decade" preconceptions.

   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 01:14 PM   IP              
And the more one focuses upon recent years in an extended way, the more people drop from the discussion.
   
halleluwah
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 02:01 PM   IP              
I like the idea of the poll years rotation, because you keep breaking the chain of narrative from year to year, so thoughts of the sociological conditions of the time are less prevalent. It's easier to listen to the music as an absolute, not as a biographical stepping stone charting the evolution of a generation's HOPES and DREAMS (the 1960s were an exciting and important time in all our lives...). When you're simply putting the focus on individual records themselves, it's easier to just hear it and think, "that's a good record" or "that's not a good record" when you dismiss the baggage of following a historical path chronologically. Of course, the songs themselves will always cross-pollinate and inform each other, but you at least don't have the immediate response of, "man, I liked the Bee Gees' stuff from last year a lot better" or whatever. Plus, jumping 15-20 years forwards or backwards is kind of like a palette-cleanser; you don't allow the sound or conventions of any one era to build up in your system.

I'm interested in the '68 poll for a different reason than I am more recent years; I already know most of the songs there, so it's more a question of revisiting/recontextualizing, and seeing how tracks that I've heard a million times hold up against each other. Sometimes that can yield really surprising results. With the 80s polls, I never heard most of that music the first time around, so like 85% of those songs are usually new to me. That's all about discovery more than context for me.

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Jon
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 Posted June 16th, 2011 02:11 PM   IP              
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the 1960s were an exciting and important time in all our lives...


God, yes. Do you remember when we went to the Be-in? Wagner was so drunk that night. Vomited all over Cippolina's best leathers.

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