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Best Single Of 1968 #2
Wonderboy - The Kinks 0% [0/31]
With A Little Help From My Friends - Joe Cocker 0% [0/31]
Wild Tiger Woman - The Move 0% [0/31]
Wichita Lineman - Glen Campbell 23% [7/31]
Who's Making Love - Johnnie Taylor 3% [1/31]
White Room - Cream 3% [1/31]
White Light/White Heat - The Velvet Underground 10% [3/31]
What's Made Milwaukee Famous (Has Made A Loser Out Of Me) - Jerry Lee Lewis 0% [0/31]
What A Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong 16% [5/31]
What A Man - Lynda Lyndell 0% [0/31]
We're Rolling On - The Impressions 0% [0/31]
We'll Get Ahead Someday - Porter Wagoner & Dolly Parton 0% [0/31]
We Can Fly - The Cowsills 10% [3/31]
Waiting Around To Die - Townes Van Zandt 6% [2/31]
Voodoo Child (Slight Return) - Jimi Hendrix 29% [9/31]


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IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:07 AM   IP              
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Nick wrote:
How is that making it worse? If he doesn't like it can
t he say that?


I know what you are saying, but then it gets into the area of, are we allowed to honestly react to his opinion?

   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:09 AM   IP              
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Jeff Mason wrote:
Motown may have the classic cred among the average fan, but as a whole I far prefer the Stax approach to soul.


There was this thread I wrote a while back, where...forget it.

   
Jeff Mason
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:12 AM   IP              
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There was this thread I wrote a while back, where...forget it.


No, I was in on that thread, and I know how dismissive that comment sounded, though I did not intend it to be dismissive. I listened to lots of Motown and my appreciation was greatly increased. But somehow, I react more immediately to Stax. Can't say why.
   
Jeff Mason
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:15 AM   IP              
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I know what you are saying, but then it gets into the area of, are we allowed to honestly react to his opinion?


Yeah, if it were something a little less, I dunno, hate to say "consensus" but can't think of a better word, I'd be less aggressive. But there are some things that when you hear someone dismiss, you scratch your head. I mean, if someone hear said that Elvis was bad music, boring, or whatever, would you not have a similar reaction? Sometimes you hear someone else's opinion, and it is so incredibly unrelatable that you have to say that it is extreme. To me, Wichita Lineman is one of those songs. I could understand someone saying it's not their cup of tea, but not someone utterly throwing it under the bus with words I would reserve for Barry Manilow.
   
Becky
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:15 AM   IP              
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No, I was in on that thread, and I know how dismissive that comment sounded. I listened to lots of Motown and my appreciation was greatly increased. But somehow, I react more immediately to Stax. Can't say why.


But there is amazing amazingness in both Motown and Stax, surely.
   
Jeff Mason
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:17 AM   IP              
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But there is amazing amazingness in both Motown and Stax, surely.


Never said there wasn't, never implied it. Just telling which one gets me excited more quickly. It's like saying you prefer the Beatles to the Stones or vice versa; you learn more about the person than you do the music. Love them both, Stax gets me more into it immediately.
   
Nick
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:18 AM   IP              
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I know what you are saying, but then it gets into the area of, are we allowed to honestly react to his opinion?


I say yes. Better to be upfront.
   
Nick
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:25 AM   IP              
It also seems that it is OK to deride some things but not OK to deride others.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:39 AM   IP              
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It also seems that it is OK to deride some things but not OK to deride others.


Well, this place will never escape its 60's-oriented genesis.
I understand what you are saying, absolutely. But, there is a difference between saying one does not like, say, Robert Johnson and saying one does not like, say, Kanye West. Maybe it is just time itself.
Once we are in this 60's area, things get so accepted and beloved that it is hard to even comprehend someone coming along and cursorily dismissing them. And that is honest, as well. It is all good, until it gets angry. And hopefully that vibe is mosly gone from this place at this point.
Also, deriding things is a lotta fun, ya must admit.

   
Jeff Mason
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:39 AM   IP              
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It also seems that it is OK to deride some things but not OK to deride others.


Dude, we're human. You either have to accept some inconsistencies, or else set rules like "no negative comments whatsoever allowed" versus "you can say whatever you like no matter how negative". There's a balance there, it's hard to find exactly, but you have to accept that. I mean, you yourself have derided things here as well. There comes a time where everyone does. And no one is saying Dave has no right to express his opinion. He is free to express any opinion he wants, just as I am free to state that I think he is insane for having that opinion (so long as I don't make it personal which I don't think I am). The real issue is when we start making it personal, saying that there is something wrong with Dave as a person for thinking a certain way, which I hope I am not doing here.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:41 AM   IP              
Well, there is definitely something very, very wrong with Dave, but it goes way beyond his opinions on Wichita Lineman.
   
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:44 AM   IP              
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Nick wrote:
It also seems that it is OK to deride some things but not OK to deride others.


I know what you mean. The whole "Young Girl" debacle left my beans steamed/quite perturbed as well.

   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:47 AM   IP              
I love that Gary Puckett has been a continual topic of discussion for a couple days! Must be the first time that has ever happened...anywhere. Probably not even in his own house.
   
Jeff Mason
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:47 AM   IP              
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Well, there is definitely something very, very wrong with Dave, but it goes way beyond his opinions on Wichita Lineman.


Oh, to be a fly on the wall with you guys this week....
   
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 11:53 AM   IP              
My girlfriend thinks Gary is a helluva singer and I concur!

Talk in Mr. Puckett's home regarding the man himself centers on who's going to wake him up with the garden hose since he went to sleep in the driveway again (usually Gary Jr., age 38, who lives over the garage). They are afraid to refill the swimming pool anymore because he tends to curl up overnight there, too. It has become a real problem. But I guess no one really is willing to TALK about it.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:01 PM   IP              
Harmony Korine's next movie should be Crossroads II: The Gary Puckett Story. Ralph Macchio could even play him.
   
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:04 PM   IP              
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Harmony Korine's next movie should be Crossroads II: The Gary Puckett Story. Ralph Macchio could even play him.


I am envisioning Jeff Bridges based on the first 15 minutes of 8 Million Ways to Die, but Macchio is hurting more for the comeback.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:09 PM   IP              
Ahh man, 8 Million Ways To Die! Good movie! Seemed like it sucked in the 80's, but then it became apparent that it was simply an accurate bit of social documentation, ala Ashby's Shampoo. Same with To Live And Die In LA.
   
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What actually is Wonderboy about? I can't help but get an image of a little camp boy who's been pushed into body-building by a pushy father and he's wearing a homemade superhero outfit costume complete with cape. I'm not sure if that's the image they were going for but I just can't take that song seriously.

Anyway, it's a toss up between Wichita Lineman and White Light / White Heat for me. I dunno if Wichita Lineman sounds the same to American ears as it does to my English ones, but to me that's one of the most exotic sounding songs there is. Makes me think of a landscape that just doesn't exist over here. White Light just makes me feel like a badass. Which I'm most definately not. So I'll vote for that I reckons.
  
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:17 PM   IP              
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The Venerable Gould wrote:
What actually is Wonderboy about? I can't help but get an image of a little camp boy who's been pushed into body-building by a pushy father and he's wearing a homemade superhero outfit costume complete with cape. I'm not sure if that's the image they were going for but I just can't take that song seriously.


That's an incredible description! Makes me love the song even more.

   
Nick
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:23 PM   IP              
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IanWagner wrote:


Well, this place will never escape its 60's-oriented genesis.
I understand what you are saying, absolutely. But, there is a difference between saying one does not like, say, Robert Johnson and saying one does not like, say, Kanye West. Maybe it is just time itself.
Once we are in this 60's area, things get so accepted and beloved that it is hard to even comprehend someone coming along and cursorily dismissing them. And that is honest, as well. It is all good, until it gets angry. And hopefully that vibe is mosly gone from this place at this point.
Also, deriding things is a lotta fun, ya must admit.


So if this place is extreme 60s then I'm just kind of an aberration here.
There is a difference, but only on one level--I'm much more interested in letting that stuff slide around and get loose.
Actually, I've not been that into deriding things lately--and that's why I've been taking breaks from here. And yes, I've done it in the recent polls, but not as much. I find it takes more out of me to try and talk about why I dis-like something than it does to chat up something that I'm into.

I think the upfront vibe is gone, but I get stuff from beneath the surface. Of course, I understand that could just be me.
   
Nick
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:27 PM   IP              
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Dude, we're human. You either have to accept some inconsistencies, or else set rules like "no negative comments whatsoever allowed" versus "you can say whatever you like no matter how negative". There's a balance there, it's hard to find exactly, but you have to accept that. I mean, you yourself have derided things here as well. There comes a time where everyone does. And no one is saying Dave has no right to express his opinion. He is free to express any opinion he wants, just as I am free to state that I think he is insane for having that opinion (so long as I don't make it personal which I don't think I am). The real issue is when we start making it personal, saying that there is something wrong with Dave as a person for thinking a certain way, which I hope I am not doing here.


I felt it was becoming more than just inconsistencies and unbalanced. I also think this place is very personal.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:35 PM   IP              
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So if this place is extreme 60s then I'm just kind of an aberration here.
There is a difference, but only on one level--I'm much more interested in letting that stuff slide around and get loose.
Actually, I've not been that into deriding things lately--and that's why I've been taking breaks from here. And yes, I've done it in the recent polls, but not as much. I find it takes more out of me to try and talk about why I dis-like something than it does to chat up something that I'm into.

I think the upfront vibe is gone, but I get stuff from beneath the surface. Of course, I understand that could just be me.


Well, if you are an aberration in those ways, you should be proud of that fact. That is what balances the whole thing out. The more it goes off to one side, the less I'm interested, even if, maybe specially if, my exact opinions are the ones shared by the majority.
I think there is a lot of personal history around, but that has defanged a lot of the open criticism for better or worse, and that's what Jeff is talking about. It is personal, but in a different way than previous.

   
Nick
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:43 PM   IP              
Yeah, I think it's just probably my own issues that need attention! And seriously: thanks for listening and replying.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:53 PM   IP              
Well, if you have issues, then this entire place has a subscription.
   
Jeff Mason
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:54 PM   IP              
At this point there really isn't too much between me and Dave, there are no open festering wounds here. And in honesty, I have learned something about myself within the last six months -- that I have Asperger's Syndrome - that makes so much of what has happened here involving me make sense (usually involving me being too literal and not being able to read people's true intents and sarcasm). So I am trying my best to make a conscious effort to assume the best, even when my skewed Spidey sense taking things literally sees attacks where someone like Dave is trying to have a fun. And hopefully Dave is seeing that and assuming that I am not being all fogey like I have been in the past.

Just to be a little transparent. By now there's so much history that for me to diss Dave over a Glen Campbell song just seems funny now to me, like part of the joke.
   
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:55 PM   IP              
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Ahh man, 8 Million Ways To Die! Good movie! Seemed like it sucked in the 80's, but then it became apparent that it was simply an accurate bit of social documentation, ala Ashby's Shampoo. Same with To Live And Die In LA.


Yeah. I'd love to see what 8 Million Ways to Die was like before the studio took it away from Ashby. It would've been amazing also to have had an entire series of Matthew Scudder movies with Jeff Bridges playing the part, but there was no way that ever was going to happen either.

But I digress.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 12:57 PM   IP              
This reminds me: Have you seen Cutter's Way? If not, I'd really recommend that to you, particularly.
   
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 01:03 PM   IP              
I have seen Cutter's Way, but it's been a long time. I need to see it again.
   
IanWagner
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 Posted June 18th, 2011 01:10 PM   IP              
There should be a sunshine-noir thread one o' these days.
   



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