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Jeff Mason
The Nitrate Bandit

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 Posted March 25th, 2012 11:24 PM   IP              
May be a few days before I have something to say -- gotta chew on it...
   
zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted March 26th, 2012 07:54 AM   IP              
Yea no worry about me either. I dont have Sky Atlantic, so I'll rely on the various streaming options on the net.
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alan
Richard Thompson's G-String

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 Posted March 27th, 2012 08:27 PM   IP              
What???? NO comments yet?

Well, I loved it. Fully back to form straight off the bat, everyone getting screen time apart from Betty (they had to work around January Jones' pregnancy so she isn't in this season a whole lot apparently).

But Megan, wow! She is a match after all for Don, and looks like she will be able to hold her own. I wonder where it will go wrong...(I'm sure it probably will). My guess is she'll catch Don having a meaningless one night stand and leave him, which will decimate him as he'll realise he really loved her. We'll see.
   
IanWagner
The Rustic Bumfiddler

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 Posted March 27th, 2012 10:23 PM   IP              
No comments yet BECAUSE it was so great! I think Megan will be the one to stray first.
   
Jeff Mason
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 Posted March 27th, 2012 10:53 PM   IP              
No comments because it's too much to take in at once. I felt very disoriented the whole night; the writers assume your intelligence and don't spend time explaining what has happened over the last few years, but that means it takes some work to get up to speed.

Thoughts --

-- Interesting symbolism in starting the season with Sally. I suspect that this will be significant, especially as the scene was not integrated with the plot of the episode as a whole. That usually means that there is significance in the scene in isolation.

-- Don has grown up in at least a few ways. He's been honest with Megan about his past in full. Her problems with him address what would be lingering issues, i.e. his cynicism. Honesty only goes so far after all; now you have to deal with other issues of the heart and she sees clearly that there are parts of him that are dead and need to be revived. And that indeed, Ian, might drive her to an affair potentially.

-- This Roger/Pete conflict has some serious potential. Love Pete's little prank to prove to Roger that he's onto him.

-- My one disappointment was that my favorite character, Peggy, was on the periphery most of the time. Though I really dug her interaction with Megan. That conversation rang true and was well written.
   
alan
Richard Thompson's G-String

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 Posted March 28th, 2012 05:14 AM   IP              
Oh, one nice touch in the UK was that the new broadcaster (Sky had bought the rights away from the BBC who used to show it with no ads) only had one ad break per show and filled that with vintage 60's ads from both sides of the Atlantic (the US ones included an American Airways one and a couple of VW ads) rather than 'real' ones. Worked nicely!
   
zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted March 28th, 2012 07:04 AM   IP              
I dunno when I can se it. Haven't really had time to do any research on the net to find it, and sorry to see Betty is not going to be around that much, as I think I have decided that after all she may be my favourite character, and by that I mean she is the one whom I find the most intriguing with all her badness.
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halleluwah
Total Rock Cumshot

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 Posted March 28th, 2012 01:29 PM   IP              
One of the things I love about Mad Men: in just about any other series (or movie, for that matter), Megan would probably have been depicted as a two-dimensional screw-the-boss-to-advance trophy wife. She would likely be incompetent at her job, which would be obvious to everybody but Don, and the tension between the Drapers and everybody else in the office (particularly Peggy) over this fact would have been the source of the show's conflict. But they had the courage to make Megan a real person who is smart and seemingly capable enough at her job, even though she's still only getting to do entry-level busiwork at the moment. She seemingly has a reasonably cordial working relationship with Peggy, despite the sort of walking-on-eggs awareness she has about the fact that she's Don's wife now. They make it feel like a real-life situation without taking the easy, cliched way around it. To me, even though there's a lot of foreshadowed parallels between Don/Megan and the decayed state of the Roger/Jane marriage, they're not carbon copies of each other. Not that I think the Drapers are probably going to last either (and I think Ian's assessment that Megan will stray before Don is likely spot-on), but Jane and Megan are two entirely different types of characters. The end outcome might be the same, but probably not through the same path.

Also, just as a sidenote, I love how the show has turned Harry Crane, one of the most sympathetic guys at the firm in the first season, into one of the biggest douches on the whole show at this point, the one even Don and Roger can't stand to be around. Again, just a little touch that feels entirely organic and logical in the way it's played out, but is entirely counter to the way any other show would have done it.

I thought it was a great opener in that it set up where all the characters are now, without telegraphing too many obvious future plot developments. A lot of the stories that were set up could spin off in any direction. It's good to have the show back.

I'MCOMINGI'MCOMINGI'MCOMINGI'MCOMING
   
alan
Richard Thompson's G-String

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 Posted March 28th, 2012 02:04 PM   IP              
Ian may be right about Megan in that she is younger and clearly from a bit of a boho background (a bit like Midge, his first mistress on the show) so she may have a different set of morals to Don...we shall see. But it was great to see someone matching him stride for stride for a change rather than doing a Betty and going into a huff.
   
zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted March 29th, 2012 08:59 AM   IP              
Hehe "doing a Betty", love that.
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zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted March 31st, 2012 07:23 PM   IP              
I thought Joan stole the whole show, because the situation she was portrayed in, baby and all rang the truest IMO. The Megan/Don episode felt contrived to me, but interesting in so far as the show obviously ignored the "happy honeymoon" days, and puts it in parallel with the Roger/Jane couple.
zelilgirli1ncenu.blogspot.com
   
alan
Richard Thompson's G-String

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 Posted March 31st, 2012 08:17 PM   IP              
And what exactly does Sou Bisou Bisou mean?
   
IanWagner
The Rustic Bumfiddler

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 Posted March 31st, 2012 11:08 PM   IP              
Oh Kiss Kiss.
   
alan
Richard Thompson's G-String

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 Posted April 1st, 2012 10:00 AM   IP              
Ah, when I saw the show I just thought it was French gibberish - zoobizoobizoo, a bit like Doo bi Doo bi Doo, it was only when someone referenced it afterwards that I realised they were real words!
   
zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted April 1st, 2012 11:43 AM   IP              
Yeppers Kissy kiss kiss.

Baiser is the right word, bise is what French people do when they greet each other, bisou is child way of saying same.




France loved English girls in the 1960's. There was Petula Clark, and Sandy Shaw, and of course Jane Birkin. An English accent is seen as very sexy when speaking French by the French.

In amongst these babes, was Brigitte Bardot lookalike Gillian Hills, who had quite a career singing in France and also in the cinema she appeared in Beat Girl and A CLOCKWORK Orange.

Here is my favourite song by her, in which she makes her otherwise very mild English accent VERY noticeable.

Cha cha stop


And really it would have been surprising if Gainsbourg had never has anything to do with her, but you'll have to click on the link as Youtube wont let me embed it Une petite tasse d'anxiété

zelilgirli1ncenu.blogspot.com
   
IanWagner
The Rustic Bumfiddler

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 Posted April 1st, 2012 11:58 AM   IP              
Gillian Hills also costarred in a very interesting Hammer film, Demons Of The Mind.
   
zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted April 1st, 2012 02:00 PM   IP              
Ta very much for the ref. Downloading this as we speak.
zelilgirli1ncenu.blogspot.com
   
IanWagner
The Rustic Bumfiddler

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 Posted April 1st, 2012 11:28 PM   IP              
You're gonna like this episode, Daniele.
   
zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted April 2nd, 2012 06:31 AM   IP              
OOOO promising!
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Jeff Mason
The Nitrate Bandit

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 Posted April 2nd, 2012 07:21 AM   IP              
Totally a Betty episode, and we get some very interesting developments, as well as getting some brief insight as to how Megan affects the family structure.

And the Don/Harry bit was completely awesome. Don's reactions to the whole thing were priceless.
   
zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted April 2nd, 2012 10:31 AM   IP              
The net is great! Great episode for the Betty fan club ;-) Cant wait until Tuesday after Alan has seen this., and we can talk about her.
Just a remark also, if Megan is meant to be Canadian, her accent (french) isn't at all. I need to check out the story behind this.
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alan
Richard Thompson's G-String

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 Posted April 3rd, 2012 05:35 PM   IP              
The actress IS Canadian, so no probs there.

So, fat Betty!!!! Well, I suppose that is one way of coping with her real life pregnancy. Loved the new copywriter too, he will liven things up a bit.
   
zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted April 3rd, 2012 07:11 PM   IP              
ok I see I just checked her background, I can see why she doesn't have a typical French Canadian accent, her dad is a university lecturer, and her mom a conference interpreter, so that would explain it.
zelilgirli1ncenu.blogspot.com
   
IanWagner
The Rustic Bumfiddler

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 Posted April 3rd, 2012 07:35 PM   IP              
January Jones reminds me of Gena Rowlands.
   
zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted April 4th, 2012 08:12 AM   IP              
Not a bad alternative to Grace Kelly!
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Jeff Mason
The Nitrate Bandit

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 Posted April 8th, 2012 11:08 PM   IP              
Wow. That was a rough episode. For about 5 minutes I honestly thought it was about to take a drastically dark and unforeseen turn. As it was it was still pretty dark stuff. And the closing song was a perfect choice for the heavy events. Season 4 was light compared to this.
   
IanWagner
The Rustic Bumfiddler

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 Posted April 8th, 2012 11:10 PM   IP              
An unexpected knockout punch of an episode.
   
zelilgirlI1ncenu
Hasselhoff's Speedo

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 Posted April 9th, 2012 08:41 AM   IP              
Guys you're doing a great job of not revealing anything! And yes some serious drama in this one too.
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alan
Richard Thompson's G-String

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 Posted April 10th, 2012 07:25 PM   IP              
Had me there too. I really thought he'd done it and was leaping to possible plot lines. Very pleased he didn't though, and even more pleased he didn't betray his wife. I suppose it's inevitable it will go wrong but I'm going to hate it when it does.
   
IanWagner
The Rustic Bumfiddler

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 Posted April 10th, 2012 07:44 PM   IP              
I knew something was up when they did the Psycho visual quote. Also nice to see a L little Twin Peaks nod with the casting of Madchen Amick.
   



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